Hi All ~
This may seem like a rather macabre line of enquiry, but my grandfather's brother took his own life during the mid 1920s.
His name was Sydney McQuinn and he was born in Liverpool in 1898. He married Alice Fox about 1920 and they had three children. Sydney committed suicide around 1926.
I'm wondering whether there may be a coroner's report into his death; and if so would I be able to obtain a copy? (I haven't managed to find his death in the BMD Index, and I have no idea where he is buried.)
I'm aware that suicide was 'unlawful' in the UK until the mid-1960s, so I've been wondering how this would have affected his immediate family.
If anyone can offer any suggestions with regard to researching this case I'd be really grateful.
suicide - 1920s
suicide - 1920s
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Quinn, Whelan, McCraith, Finlay (Ireland)
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Sydney McQuinn
Hi I found this death: on FreeBMD
Deaths Mar 1927 (>99%)
McQuinn Sydney 29 W.Derby 8b 887
Victoria
Deaths Mar 1927 (>99%)
McQuinn Sydney 29 W.Derby 8b 887
Victoria
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World War I Records
Hi Zed
There are also WWI records for Sydney McQuinn he signed up age 17 years.
Victoria
There are also WWI records for Sydney McQuinn he signed up age 17 years.
Victoria
Many thanks Doe and Victoria ...
I've been able to order a Death. Cert. now.
I don't suppose there will be any way that I can find out what prompted this tragedy. Very sad to see that Sydney's children were so young when he took his own life.
Bestest,
Paula.
I've been able to order a Death. Cert. now.
I don't suppose there will be any way that I can find out what prompted this tragedy. Very sad to see that Sydney's children were so young when he took his own life.
Bestest,
Paula.
Member # 7779
Beaty, Mattinson, Gaddes, Irving (Cumbria & Liverpool) Greaves, Kelly, McQuinn, Anderton, Shaw (Liverpool)
Quinn, Whelan, McCraith, Finlay (Ireland)
Beaty, Mattinson, Gaddes, Irving (Cumbria & Liverpool) Greaves, Kelly, McQuinn, Anderton, Shaw (Liverpool)
Quinn, Whelan, McCraith, Finlay (Ireland)
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Re Marriage
Hi Paula - there was a medical record for 1923 - who knows what those young soldiers experienced during the war.... very very sad.
It also looks as if Alice remarried in 1928
Marriages Mar 1928 (93%)
McQuinn Alice Everitt W.Derby 8b 650
Victoria
It also looks as if Alice remarried in 1928
Marriages Mar 1928 (93%)
McQuinn Alice Everitt W.Derby 8b 650
Victoria
Sydney McQuinn
Hello Zed,
The death cert will give you the place and cause of death and whether an inquest was held. The Liverpool Coroner's Office may still hold the records, although they could now be in the LRO. I understand that there is no legal requirement for them to be held longer than 10 years, but you might be in luck.
The place of death could give you a clue as to where newspaper reports might be archived.
If there was a suicide and the inquest records are available, as MaryA pointed out recently in another post, be prepared for unpleasant details including the autopsy report.
Dickiesam
The death cert will give you the place and cause of death and whether an inquest was held. The Liverpool Coroner's Office may still hold the records, although they could now be in the LRO. I understand that there is no legal requirement for them to be held longer than 10 years, but you might be in luck.
The place of death could give you a clue as to where newspaper reports might be archived.
If there was a suicide and the inquest records are available, as MaryA pointed out recently in another post, be prepared for unpleasant details including the autopsy report.
Dickiesam
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If there was an inquest, the coroners records are at Liverpool RO.
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Hi Victoria ... when you say there was a medical record in 1923, do you mean an armed services medical recrod; and if so, is it possible to access these records?
I had no idea that he'd enrolled in the armed services, so it hadn't occurred to me that his suicide could be linked to his experiences of WWI.
Yes you're absolutely correct, his widow re-married and went on to have another 3 children with her 2nd husband.
Thanks for the LRO link Jan ... and thank you for your advice Dickiesam, I will certainly bear that in mind.
Bestest,
Paula.
I had no idea that he'd enrolled in the armed services, so it hadn't occurred to me that his suicide could be linked to his experiences of WWI.
Yes you're absolutely correct, his widow re-married and went on to have another 3 children with her 2nd husband.
Thanks for the LRO link Jan ... and thank you for your advice Dickiesam, I will certainly bear that in mind.
Bestest,
Paula.
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Beaty, Mattinson, Gaddes, Irving (Cumbria & Liverpool) Greaves, Kelly, McQuinn, Anderton, Shaw (Liverpool)
Quinn, Whelan, McCraith, Finlay (Ireland)
Beaty, Mattinson, Gaddes, Irving (Cumbria & Liverpool) Greaves, Kelly, McQuinn, Anderton, Shaw (Liverpool)
Quinn, Whelan, McCraith, Finlay (Ireland)
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Sydney McQuinn
Hi Paula
There is a WWI British Army Pension Record Card for Sydney McQuinn born 1898 on Ancestry and also his medical history.
Victoria
There is a WWI British Army Pension Record Card for Sydney McQuinn born 1898 on Ancestry and also his medical history.
Victoria
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Medal Roll
Hi Paula
There is also a British Army WWI Medal Roll Index card for Sydney McQuinn too on Ancestry.
British War Medal
Victory Medal
and as
Medal card of McQuinn, Sidney
Corps Regiment No Rank
Royal Field Artillery 690215 Driver
On the National Archives.
Victoria
There is also a British Army WWI Medal Roll Index card for Sydney McQuinn too on Ancestry.
British War Medal
Victory Medal
and as
Medal card of McQuinn, Sidney
Corps Regiment No Rank
Royal Field Artillery 690215 Driver
On the National Archives.
Victoria
Victoria, you probably have the best record on Ancestry, I've been told there is more information on there for Medal Records than on the National Archives.
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I can't find the 1923 medical record for him if you could copy/paste please.
Zed I hope this helps, warmies Tina
I can't find the 1923 medical record for him if you could copy/paste please.
Zed I hope this helps, warmies Tina
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Victoria, well done and thanks
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Many thanks Tina & Victoria ~
Apologies for the lateness with my response
but for some reason my emails have been going AWOL so I hadn't realised that other pieces of research had appeared in the thread.
Many thanks also to Steve who pm'd me a scan of the inquest document held in Liverpool R.O.
You're all absolute stars!
Bestest,
Paula
Apologies for the lateness with my response
but for some reason my emails have been going AWOL so I hadn't realised that other pieces of research had appeared in the thread.Many thanks also to Steve who pm'd me a scan of the inquest document held in Liverpool R.O.
You're all absolute stars!
Bestest,
Paula
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Beaty, Mattinson, Gaddes, Irving (Cumbria & Liverpool) Greaves, Kelly, McQuinn, Anderton, Shaw (Liverpool)
Quinn, Whelan, McCraith, Finlay (Ireland)
Beaty, Mattinson, Gaddes, Irving (Cumbria & Liverpool) Greaves, Kelly, McQuinn, Anderton, Shaw (Liverpool)
Quinn, Whelan, McCraith, Finlay (Ireland)