LOOK UP PLEASE - ERNEST NILSSON

[pebbles]

Hi All,

Hope someone is able to help me. I am trying to find out where my great uncle is, I can not find any death record for him, there are rumours he did spend some time in prison, so not sure if that is where he died. Is anyone able to help me.

He was born :
ERNEST NILSSON (some family changed it to NILSON, NEILSON).
DOB : 1904
Lived in Liverpool.

Can anyone also help me trace any records of his prison records, where is the best place to start.

Kind regards
Jan

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

Before anybody can help with a death date, the time would have to be narrowed down quite considerably. Is there anybody older in the family who may be able to remember the last time he was seen, and indeed what date he might have been in prison.

You might find something about him in the newspapers, but unfortunately not online since the availability of these finish at 1900, so your searches would have to be at the Liverpool Record Office, where you would also find details of the Quarter Sessions

347 QUA Borough of Liverpool Court of Quarter Sessions 1724-1956
M347 PSK Kirkdale Petty Sessions 1885-1962

It might be worthwhile checking this site http://www.blacksheepindex.co.uk/

[dickiesam]

Hi,
There's a marriage of a Ernest Neilson, the only Nilsson/Neilson etc between 1922 (when he would have been 18 years old) and 1935, in England and Wales.

Marriages Mar 1935: Neilson, Ernest to Dean, Clarice - Sheffield - 9c - 677.

You would have to apply for the marriage cert to try to confirm this is your Ernest... same father etc. If this is he, you could then trawl the birth indices to find any children of this marriage. If you know his father's name from his birth cert and the 1911 census, you should specify his father's name in the GRO Reference Points on the application form. If he's the wrong Ernest you will only be charged a £4 search fee instead of £7 for a wrong cert.

I went to check his birth and found two possibles:
Births Mar qtr 1903: NIELSEN, Ernest - Birkenhead - 8a - 448. And:
Births Jun qtr 1904: Nilsson, Ernest - Liverpool - 8b - 71.

Cheers,
Dickiesam

[MaryA]

If the Ernest Neilson marriage that Dickiesam has found is the correct one, then there are two possible children, spanning the war years, so maybe he was away in the fighting, birthplace being Chesterfield, Derbyshire/Nottingham registration district.

[pebbles]

Hi All,

Thanks for getting back so soon, all that mum can remember is the police coming to their house in the 50s about Ernie as he had been involved in an armed robbery about the Dingle, and no one has any record of him after that, I have been through the death records and can not find out when he died. All i know he was born in Liverpool in 1904 and his father was called Gustaf Nilsson, originally from Sweden.

Regards
Jan

[MaryA]

Forgive my questioning, but I obviously don't know your method of searching the death indexes but have you checked a database for the death?

Or have you searched all quarters, all years, page by page by microfiche at the Record Office or online? If so for which years ? If online, have you checked image by image or via the database?

[emeltee]

Hi,
I have just trawled through the images of the Death Register from 1950 onwards and could only find one Ernest Nilsson who died in Manchester in 1973. Unfortunately the record had his date of birth as 16 Nov 1888 so I suppose he will have to be discounted. At the same time I also checked Nilso and Nilsen but did not do Nielsen if it did not appear on the page.
Emeltee

[MaryA]

Then I would suggest you think of whether he may have emigrated?

Do you have any idea what his occupation would have been? or whether he might have gone to sea?

There is an entry for a 15 year old Ernest Nilson, cooks boy arriving at New York on 18th September, 1919 on the Hampstead Heath from Liverpool. Obviously this is earlier than your present interest, but it could be him.

[dickiesam]

If Ernest did a runner... this might be him:
Aboard the Queen Mary - Tourist Class:
NIELSEN, Ernest - bn 1904 - departure 28 October 1953 from Southampton for New York. Occupation 'Driver'.
(methinks perhaps 'getaway' in view of the armed heist Pebbles referred to?)

On the Passenger Manifest he is shown as in transit from Denmark, no address in the UK, and he intends settling in Canada. His country of birth says Denmark. But back then it would have been no problem getting a Danish Passport.

Dickiesam

[Tina]

Dickiesam, you're a case - getaway driver

looks like he did get away with it if he was onboard the Queen Mary

1938 Nielson Neilson, sorry no Ernie

Tina