LLOYD 1861

[Genie]

Help please I have been facing the brick wall for years with this very common name.
I have recently learnt that a marriage between John Lloyd and Margaret Shields in 1888. John was born in Liverpool in 1860 so the family might be on the 1861 Census.
But his father is my sticking point. He might be called William married to a Margaret I think he came from Wales but any facts would be very welcome indeed.Thank you.

[chrisrose]

Hi Genie,
This could be them in 1861
Class: RG9; Piece: 2705; Folio: 110; Page: 48; GSU roll: 543015.
William Lloyd aged 28 married to Mary A aged 26
William born Llangollea, Wales
living Toxteth park
Children Sarah 6, Adelaid 3 and John 1
Let me know if you need further details
Chris

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

Chris's find looks good, however, to confirm it your next step is to discover John's father's name and occupation by means of the marriage certificate.

If you change the heading of your post to "Marriage look up - St Martins" if somebody is going to the Rcord Office they might be good enough to check the details for you to save you ordering the certificate.

John Lloyd married Margaret Ellen Shields at Liverpool, St. Martin between October and December, 1888..

In case you need to order the certificate, the reference numbers you need as well as the above details are Liverpool district 8b 75.

[Genie]

Thank you both for your help, I'll send for the marriage cert.

[colette]

Hi Genie.

That John Lloyd & Margaret Ellen Shields had their children baptised at St Martin In The Fields Lpool

1889 John Lloyd father John Lloyd Occupation Cooper, Mother Margaret Ellen Abode 36 Flavers St Chester

1890 Harry Lloyd father John Lloyd Occ Cooper, Mother Mary Ellen Shields Abode Warrington.. (think Mary should read Margaret)

1892 James Lloyd father John Lloyd Occ Cooper, Mother Margaret Ellen Abode 12 Aughton St.

1894 Frank Lloyd father John Lloyd Occ Cooper, mother Margaret Ellen abode 2 Aughton St

1891 census Warrington

John Lloyd age 29 occ Cooper b Runcorn
Margaret age 29 b Lpool
Son Harry age 6 months b Warrington

1901 9 Lyell St Everton
John Lloyd age 39 Married Occ Cooper
Son Harry age 10 b Warrington
Son James age 9 b Lpool

Back to John with his folks 1881

1881 Runcorn

James Lloyd age 57 Cordwainer b Whitehaven Cumberland
Matilda age 56 b Alpreton ? Cheshire
Son John age 19 Apprentice Cooper b Runcorn
Dau Mary age 14 b Runcorn

1871 Halton Rd Runcorn

James Lloyd age 45 Boot Maker b Whitehaven Cumberland
Matilda age 43 b Alpreton Cheshire
Step Son John Harding age 15 Farm Lab... b Runcorn
Step Son William Harding age 13 b Runcorn
Son John Lloyd age 9 b Runcorn
Dau Mary age 4 b Runcorn

marriage 1864 Lpool John Lloyd - Matilda Harding..


Dont know if this helps or hinders.. but thats the John Lloyd with Margaret Ellen Shields..

Do you have any children of John you know of ????

Regards

[MaryA]

Well done Colette. I think that's a lesson in not taking for granted what we think we may know and also to take things step by step instead of a big jump!

[colette]

Hi Mary and thanks..

Genie can you give us a break down of exactly what you know for sure about this John Lloyd..any small clue you have .. his occupation or any of his childrens names etc..

Regards

[LindaS]

Im in the middle of transcribing St Martins marriages for around about that time. When I get on my laptop later I will have a look up for you. Hope youve not already sent for the cert.

[LindaS]

I've PM'd Genie the image for the marriage. the details on it are
7th Oct 1888 John Lloyd age 27 Married Margaret Ellen Shields age 27 He was a Cooper and the address given was 40 Ashfield St for both of them. James's father was also called James - a shoe maker and Margaret's father was William - a Labourer
Witnesses were James Lightbody and Mary Shields

[MaryA]

Thanks Linda, that seems to confirm Colette's research.