Help with searching the 1891 census please

[MaryA]

Hi everybody, I know how clever you are at wild searches, I wonder if you might have some luck with this family please.

I have John Crosbie who died at the end of 1911, but who was living in Dane Street, Kirkdale, earlier that year with his wife Laura. He was born approximately 1853/4 and she about 1859. They had been lodging with a John Philip and Hannah Elizabeth Pritchard (nee Maule), who I don't believe are related. They claim to have been born Liverpool.

In 1901 they are living in Arlington Street, he was 50, a dock labourer, born SCOTLAND, she was 47, born Liverpool and son Joseph was 17 born Liverpool, a general goods Carter. RG13; Piece: 3470; Folio: 42; Page: 32.

In 1895 John's daughter Elizabeth married Arthur Sinker and in 1901 they are living in Dane Street with their children Edward 9, Arthur 5 and Stephen 2. RG13; Piece: 3454; Folio: 103; Page: 34 - this has been transcribed Sinclair.

John Crosbie married Laura A Bramwell/Bramwill at St Ambrose Everton Q3 1896

Because of Elizabeth's age and that she later named one of her children Lewis I'm guessing, without actual proof until I find the missing census, that this is the family in 1881.

36 Nursery Street, St Martin, Liverpool.
John Crosbie Head M 29 Carter Scotland
Mary Wife M 32 Denbighshire
Lewis son 8 Scholar Liverpool
Elizabeth daur 6 " "
Mary E daur 4 "
James son 14 months "
RG11; Piece: 3595; Folio: 81; Page: 40

Possible marriage of John Crosbie to Mary Roberts Q3 1869 at St Peter Liverpool

Possible death of Mary Crosbie Q4 1891 West Derby 8b 269 age 43.

Very difficult to confirm this without the 1891 census, but the only one I have is LOUIS CROSBY at 29 Hibbert St Everton, RG12 2946 49 21.

If Mary's death is correct the mother should still be around in 1891, at this stage I don't know about young Mary E and James, but Elizabeth should also be around somewhere.

PS I also don't have John and Mary in the 1871 census.

Thanks for your interest and any help you might be able to give.

[dickiesam]

Hi Mary,
Do you have John's father's name/occupation from his marriage certs?

Wondering if this is John in 1861?
CROSBEY, Elizabeth - Wife - Married - 40 -1821 - Scotland.
CROSBEY, Douglas - Son - U/m - 20 - 1841 - Baker journeyman - Scotland.
CROSBEY, Elizabeth - Dtr - U/m - 18 - 1843 - House Servant - Scotland.
CROSBEY, John - Son - 10 - 1851 - Scholar - Scotland.
CROSBEY, Susan - Dtr - 8 - 1853 - Scholar - Scotland.
CROSBEY, Ellen - Dtr - 1 - 1860 - Liverpool, Lancashire.

RG09 / Piece:2680 / Folio:64 / Page:4.
Address: 2 Moor Terrace, Liverpool.

If this is he, might find his parents in Scotland in 1951. I can't find the mother or any of the above children in 1871 so were they back in Scotland?
There are 6 that might be him.

Dickiesam

[MaryA]

Thanks Dickiesam, I don't yet have the marriage certificate as I have only just over the weekend got the details of Laura, and of course I can't be positive about Mary at present.

I will keep this family on file, they look promising.

1871 - I suppose they could be in either Scotland or Wales visiting family ....

[Hilary]

John Crosbie married Laura Ann Bramwell on 30 August 1896 at St Ambrose Everton. He was 46 and she was 44. His father Lewis Crosbie and her father John Williams. He is a widower


John Crosbie married Mary Roberts on 7 September 1869 at St Peter Liverpool. His father Louis Crosbie her father Elias Roberts

Lewis Crosbie married Elizabeth McDowall on 18 September 1835 in Dumfries

Children of above all in Dumfries
Joseph bn 17 Septe 1835 ch 19 Sept

Douglas bn 20 Sept 1840 ch 7 October 1840

Elizabeth 13 Oct 1846

Catherine bn 11 June 1846 ch 13 Oct

These 2 could be twins

Mary Ellen Crosbie 27 father Lewis Crosbie married Thomas Ockleshaw 26 father Thomas on 12 September 1887 at St Mary Kirkdale

Susan Crosbie 44 father Lewis Crosbie married William Wainwright 49 father Ellis on 26 Feb 1899 no church given
all above on pilot family search

1881 census 57 Skirving St Liverpool
lewis Crosbie wid 64 master mariner lab at present
Douglas son 40 baker
Susan daughter 25 charwoman

all bn Dumfries

Luois Crosbie died March Q 1891 West derby Reg district


1841 census High St New Church Parish Pagans Chose Palinstones Dumfries Dumfrieshire (love to see that for real on census on Scotlands people website)

lewis Crosbie 24 mariner
Elizabeth 23
Joseph 3
Douglas 8 months

1851 census 7 Market Square Maxweltown parish of Troqueer Kircudbrightshire

Eliza Crosbie 23 sailor's wife (age must be transcribed wrong
Joseph 13
Douglas 11
Eliza 8
John 2
all bn Dumfries

Douglas died 1883

1861 census 2 Moor Terrace Liverpool this is the one Dickiesam found
Elizabeth Crosbey 40
Douglas Crosbey 20 baker
Elizabeth Crosbey 18 servant
John 10 scholar
Susan 8 scholar
all bn Scotland
Ellen 1 bn Liverpool

1871 census 42 Skirving Street
lewis Crosby 52 seaman bn Scotland
Ellen wife 52 bn Scotland
Douglas 28 baker bn Scotland
Susan 15 bn Scotland
Mary E 11 bn Liverpool

It's not the 1871 or the 1891 census but hope it helps

HIlary
ed Officer

[Hilary]

from family search inputted entries

John Crosbie bn 28 November 1848 ch 29 November 1848 Dumfires Dumfrieshire

parents Lewis Crosbie and Elizabeth McDowall

also Susan bn 31 January 1854 ch 28 Feb 1854

Hilary
Ed Officer

[Hilary]

In 1891 census Susan is a cahrwoman living in 1 room at 26 Romeo Street Kirkdale with the Foulkes family.

Hilary
Ed Officer

[MaryA]

Picks up my chin from the floor ........

Wow you have cracked it! and the name Lewis running through the generations too, brilliant, thank you very much.

I'm off to re-read it all, too much to take in first time!! Remind me I owe you a big Chrimbo pressie!

[Tina]

Great news for you Mary and well done Hilary

I've found this in 1891
Louis Crosby 18 carter bn Lpool lodging at 29 Hibbert St Everton.
Family by the name of "Clynch"
RG12/2946/49/21

Tina

[MaryA]

Thanks Tina, I suspect it must be him, enumerators are never particular about the way they spell somebody's name are they? age and location are good for Lewis. Just wish we could come across the younger family in the missing censuses.

I've requested marriage certificates, hoping to get addresses, but since the first wife I believe will still have been living, I don't think the second marriage will help but it's worth a try.

[dickiesam]

That's some result! Look's like Hilary stayed up all night! Well done!
Re:

age and location are good for Lewis

And his 1891 occupation is the same as the father John.

Dickiesam