currie rogers

[Bertieone]

If we assume Robert died in Liverpool, where he and the family were living in 1881, his wife being a widow by 1891, his death must have taken place between those dates. The registered deaths below with ages attached do not cater for a 1840 birth. The 1883 death at 48 years old gives a birth date of 1835, the closest to the birth dates given at his marriage and 1881 census.
I would favour looking for Roberts birth around 1835/36.


Deaths Jun 1882

Rogers Robert 32 W. Derby 8b 438


Deaths Sep 1882

Rogers Robert 15 W. Derby 8b 331


Deaths Dec 1883

Rogers Robert 48 W. Derby 8b 242

Deaths Jun 1890

Rogers Robert 16 W Derby 8b 255

Deaths Dec 1891

ROGERS Robert 39 W. Derby 8b 331

[curriesimpson]

Does that mean his army reords are wrong, how do i post it on here,igot it from find mypast

[simone]

Deaths Jun 1882

Rogers Robert 32 W. Derby 8b 438

There's a burial for this chap a St Michael, Garston on 22/4/82... residence, Duke Street, Garston

[curriesimpson]

If you read the last post of Dickiesam he has Roberts army refs that can be viewed on line but the birth date does tie up ifits earier that 1940... somthing is wong!!!!

[simone]

yep, realise that.. I was just pointing out that there was a burial relating to that ref posted, not saying it is him or anything

[Bertieone]

If the Army birth date is correct, the assumption would then have to be he knocked 4/5 years off to marry, perhaps he did. He would then have to have kept up the pretence for the 1881 census.
On saying that, there is no birth registered for 1840, Liverpool, the nearest, 1842/43, so, has he knocked a couple of years off to join the Army?
I see no reason to lie about his age to marry, there wasn't a huge difference between him and his wife's age, enough to make him need to appear older.

[Bertieone]

India, Select Marriages, 1792-1948
about Robert Rogers

Name:
Robert Rogers
Gender:
Male
Age:
29
Birth Date:
1836
Marriage Date:
16 Apr 1865
Marriage Place:
Delhi, Bengal, India
Spouse:
Catherine Lowley age 28

[MaryA]

how do i post it on here,igot it from find mypast

Please see this post
http://forum.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk ... 25&t=11105

[dickiesam]

On all his army records it states in 1858 he was 18, so that makes 1840 and born in liverpool

Look at the final document in his set of records that you now have. It concerns his release from the 2nd Lancashire Militia in order to enlist in the 98th Regt on the 24th Feb 1958. Gives his age as 23. He would be unlikely to lie about his age because the Army would have still taken him aged 15 or 16. One of his son's enlisted at 14.

And it should be remembered that back then a lot of ordinary people had no reason to know for certain what year they were born. As life advanced their age at any census could be a matter of a reasonable guess. And just to make life a little awkward for people like us, they could add a few years or lose a few years depending on the circumstances. A widow could lose up to 10 years in order to make herself a better prospect for remarriage. A man might gain a few years to appear 'older and wiser' with the same object. My maternal g.father gained 5 years when he married his wife in 1898. She was 17 and unwed and he was only 18 when she became pregnant with his child. She was the only daughter of a miner from St Helens.... nuff said!

[curriesimpson]

Mary, thank you, I take note.

Dickiesam, things are a little clearer explaining the confusion re dates.

I'll visit St Micheals in Garston, but i will be very suprised if it's him, as all my family where originally from Everton and all continued to live there for a long time... but you'ĺl never know!

Thanks again

[dickiesam]

Re the birth etc of Robert Rogers... Did a little trawling of the 1841 and found only one RR whose birth was abt 1836 +/- 5 years!

1841: HO107 Piece 568 Book 22 Folio 18 Page 29
Abstinence Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool.
Robert Rogers 60 1781 Shipwright - Lancashire
Hannah Rogers 45 1796 - Lancashire
Robert Rogers 5 1836 - Lancashire

Given that ages in 1841 of people over 15 were supposed to rounded down to the nearest 0 or 5 the parents could have been up to 64 and 49 respectively.

In the 1851 didn't find the father Robert so assumed he had died and the only Hannah Rogers I could find as a match was in a workhouse...
1851: HO107 Piece 2190 Folio 599 Page 8
Hannah Rogers - Pauper - Widow - 57 - 1794 - bn Liverpool
Parish: Walton on the Hill

Haven't found Liverpool-born Robert [bn abt 1836 +/- 5 years] yet. I wonder if he followed in his father's trade as a shipwright [apprentice] and was at sea in 1851?

[Bertieone]

Hi DS,

I did the same exercise myself and reached the same conclusions, it looks like Hannah went on to better things by 1861. I think its likely, if young Robert followed in his fathers trade, Shipwright, his apprenticeship would have been served on land. Perhaps an early association with the army kept him away from the 1851 census.

There were 3 deaths between 1841-51 that will have to be looked into,

Robert Rogers
Liverpool, 1842, 20 214

West Derby, 1843, 20 661
West Derby, 1849, 20 933

One of those deaths should be Hannah's husband, one of the others could be young Robert?

[MaryA]

Some brilliant finds there lads, great research.

I would suggest a visit to the Record Office and check some of the Workhouse Records for Admissions and Discharges.

[dickiesam]

One of those deaths should be Hannah's husband, one of the others could be young Robert?

But the young Robert didn't die until much later.....?

One of these should be his mother...
Deaths Sep 1852: Rogers, Hannah - West Derby 8b 312
Deaths Mar 1860: Rogers, Hannah - W Derby 8B 353

I would take a punt for the 1852 one considering she was in a workhouse in 1851.

As for the death of Robert senior I would think that would probably have been registered in West Derby also....
West Derby, 1843, 20 661 or West Derby, 1849, 20 933.

[Bertieone]

Hi DS,

If Hannah's young Robert died between 41/51, we know its not the Robert we require(98th Reg),

[dickiesam]

Hi DS,
If Hannah's young Robert died between 41/51, we know its not the Robert we require(98th Reg),

Good thinking Bert! I like it!

[curriesimpson]

I am amazed how you do all this, knowledge is a great thing, I salute you all. My parents, his sister and my sister are all on seperate holidays at present and are going to be shocked, amazed, flabbergasted at what you all have done, and in such ashort time.

[dickiesam]

From Lancs OPC... Not a cat among the pigeons but I haven't found this one in 1841.

Baptism: 23 Oct 1836 St Mary the Virgin, West Derby, Lancashire, England
Robert Rogers - [Child] of Isaac Rogers & Mary
Abode: West Derby
Occupation: Roper
Baptised by: Wm. MacIver
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1842, Page 161, Entry 1288

[curriesimpson]

When I type in google frederick rogers 1904 liverpool the first one, stating he died in 1995 and lived in Runcorn and went to uni studing engineering, is this him? How would I find out more details

[dickiesam]

Hi,
Apart from the University admission records there is no 'simple' way to finding out who this Frederick Rogers was, his parents etc.

The GRO Death index has these entries for deaths in 1985 +/- 10 years, where the deceased was born in 1904 +/- 2 years....
ROGERS, FREDERICK bn 1904 dd 1981 - Sedgemoor, Somerset
ROGERS, FREDERICK bn 1904 dd 1989 - Halton, Cheshire
ROGERS, FREDERICK bn 1904 dd 1991 - South Glamorgan, Glamorganshire
ROGERS, FREDERICK bn 1904 dd 1994 - Surrey North Western, Surrey
ROGERS, FREDERICK bn 1906 dd 1995 - South Glamorgan, Glamorganshire

The nearest one to Runcorn is the Halton registration.
FREDERICK ROGERS
Date of birth: 24 May 1904
Death year/qtr: 1989 / Dec qtr
District: HALTON; Register number: 1189
Volume: 35; Page: 740

In order to try for a match you need to get the birth cert for a Frederick born in 1904 to establish his actual DoB. The Halton death cert would not be of any help at present. Bear in mind that unless you have some evidence of when he was known to be alive he may have died anytime after the 1911 Census.

But, I thought your Frederick died in the 1930s? Or is this the wrong one?