Seeking William Lee, Blacksmith early 1800s

Post by **simone** » 05 Sep 2009 08:35

moving on a few years from Tina's marriage
unusual for 1883

marrriage from Lancs Bmd

ELLAMS Jane BAIRD Mary A Everton, St. George Liverpool 2018WD/11/108

later - Anecstry has James Ellams

Simone x

Post by **simone** » 05 Sep 2009 08:45

possible

1851 census Pleasant Street, 7 David Place
HO107; Piece: 2190; Folio: 355; Page: 18
Name Age
Ellen Lunt 39 b Aigburth - charwoman- widow
James Lunt 17
Mary Lunt 15
Catherine Lunt 15
Robert Lunt 13
Elizabeth Lunt 9
Jane Lunt 10 Mo daughter b kirkdale1861 census

Name Age
RG9; Piece: 2704; Folio: 71; Page: 68
12 Longvilla Street
Ellen Lunt 50
James Lunt 28
Jane Lunt 11 grandaughter
James Maddrell 15 grandson
Amelia Maddrell 8 grandaughter
Sarah Ann Lunt 8 grandaughter

no sign of Stephen with this family, but Ellen is looking after grandchildren so wonder if he could be with another relative.

Simone x

Post by **MaryA** » 05 Sep 2009 08:49

simone wrote:
ELLAMS Jane BAIRD Mary A Everton, St. George Liverpool 2018WD/11/108

We always did like to set a trend in Liverpool

Post by **simone** » 05 Sep 2009 08:57

how about this one instead, both a Jane and Stephen here
1861
RG9; Piece: 2733; Folio: 78; Page: 37
9 Holden Street
Name Age - all children born Liverpool
Edward Lunt 46 cart owner, b Huytin
Mary Lunt 44 b Bickerstaffe
Mary Lunt 20
John Lunt 17
Joseph Lunt 15
Nathan Lunt 12
Stephen Lunt 9
Jane Lunt 7
Thomas Lunt 4
Elisabeth Ann Lunt 9 Mo

dohhhhh forget all that, just remembered the original marriage was 1853, so Stephen well older than this

Post by **MaryA** » 05 Sep 2009 08:58

The obvious William is

1871 12 Prince William Street, Toxteth Park
All born Lancashire Liverpool
John Ellams Head M 50 Publican
Jane Wife M 51
William Son Unm 23 Ship Steward
Joseph son Unm 19 Brass Finisher
John A son 14 Scholar
Priscilla M daur 12 "
Charles son Unm 21 Joiner
RG10; Piece: 3797; Folio: 121; Page: 16

Post by **MaryA** » 05 Sep 2009 09:04

Haha I was just going to mention the date of the marriage where Stephen was witness!

Post by **MaryA** » 05 Sep 2009 09:07

I believe this to be the Stephen because of the location at the time of the wedding

1861
43 Devon Street, Islington
Stephen Lunt Head M 32 Labourer Liverpool
Catherine Wife M 28 Ireland
Mary A daur 1 Liverpool
John son under 1 month "
Sarah mother Widow 65 Lancashire Sutton
John brother Unm 35 Paper Hanger Liverpool
Elizabeth Addams sister W 34 Upholstress "
Martha Neal servant Un 16 Servant "
Betsy Hanes? Lodger M 36 Seamstress Lancashire Hornby
RG9; Piece: 2691; Folio: 34; Page: 16

Post by **simone** » 05 Sep 2009 09:07

need more coffee

Post by **simone** » 05 Sep 2009 09:11

nice one Mary

leads to 1859- lancs bmd

LUNT Stephen DEAN Catherine Liverpool, St. John Liverpool 2107LP/6/248

Post by **MaryA** » 05 Sep 2009 09:13

and this I suspect, is the same family in 1851 but no sign of Stephen.

11 Pleasant Street, Mount Pleasant, Liverpool
Sarah Lunt Head Wid 55 Lancashire Sutton
John son U 26 Paper Stainer Liverpool
John grandson 8 months "
Ann Taylor lodger W 74 Upholsteress Lancashire Lancaster
Elizabeth Jackson Lodger W 55 Upholsteress Liverpool
HO107; Piece: 2182; Folio: 204; Page: 39

I was hoping for a Jane, but so far there isn't one.

Of course that's not to say that Jane was single when she married, she could have been a widow and that would throw the cat among the pigeons without the details from the marriage cert.

Post by **MaryA** » 05 Sep 2009 09:20

Entered the wrong family here, see below for PROBABLY the right one

Post by **MaryA** » 05 Sep 2009 09:25

I'm probably wrong about the family I've followed through those censuses

Christening for Stephen Lunt
25 January 1829 Saint Paul Saint Pauls Square
Parents William and Sarah

Also with same parents and same church
Thomas 9 April 1820
and
John 2 January 1825

Post by **MaryA** » 05 Sep 2009 09:31

This one is more sensible, living in the same area as in 1851
1841
Chapel Lane, Mount Pleasant, Liverpool
All born in County
Esther Mitch? 20 Dressmaker
Sarah Lunt 40 Dressmaker
John 14
Stephen 10
HO107; Piece 560; Book: 9; Enumeration District: 9; Folio: 17; Page: 29

Transcribed as Lund but reads Lunt clearly.

Post by **MaryA** » 05 Sep 2009 09:49

Just a comment following from Simone's family in the 1851 and 1861 censuses above. The two Maddrell children are, I believe, stepchildren to James who married a Margaret Maddrell in St Philip's 1858, then went on to marry an Alice Jones in 1866. I don't know if young Jane is his child or not.

Post by **simone** » 05 Sep 2009 10:51

Just to rewind a bit back to thw William Lee son of Margaret in 1841,, she also has son's Jospeh and George. says she is not born in county

HO107; Piece 568; Book: 19; Civil Parish: Liverpool; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 72; Folio: 8; Page: 10;
Name Age
Margaret Lee 41
William Lee 13
Joseph Lee 8
George Lee 5

Intersting that in 1851 what looks like her appears with no William but extra son Richard and sons Joseph and George again.. now born Liverpool, (found by Mary previously) but interesting that she is living next door but one to Joseph Ellames and his family

Name Age 4 Pembroke St
HO107; Piece: 2183; Folio: 54; Page: 45;
Margaret Lee 56
Richard Lee 21
Joseph Lee 18
George Lee 15

Name Age
Joseph Ellames 48 b Chester
Emma Ellames 46 b Chester
John Ellames 25
Charles Ellames 22
Ann Ellames 24
Emma Ellames 14
William Ellames 12
Joseph Ellames 10
James Ellames 3
Elizabeth Jones 24

Simone x

later- Joseph Ellames m Emma Davies 25 Jul 1825 Chester St John

Post by **S_Lawler_Lee** » 07 Sep 2009 08:44

Gosh - off line for a day and it's mushroomed.
I am a bit confused about all of the thread but it's fun how things can get interwoven

I am going to have to print it all out a study it.
I don't believe we're any closer to finding William Lee in 1851 (could be the older brother of one of the Richards in Blucoat in 1841) I think Simone said she might have a look at some time - what do people think.

Is there anywhere i can find Blacksmiths listed to see if William Lee senior turns up?
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