My grandfather George Lahey

[MaryA]

However, after his emigration, my grandfather told the US Census that his birthdate was 1866 and that his father's name was John Paul Lahey, born in Belfast.

Is this information definitely given on a census or is it just on the Death Certificate? Who gave the information on the death certificate? Who is the John Paul Lahey who registered the death?

One thing we always stress is that whoever registered the death can only assume that they know the correct information they are giving, it's not the person themselves is it.

[Bertieone]

Picking my way through it,

1900 US FED Census Militia District 481, Bibb, Georgia,
George Lahey, 34, bn England
Artie Lahey, 32, Wife, bn Georgia,
John P Lahey, 1, Son, bn Georgia
Catherine Denham, 61, Mother in law,

Haven't found death yet of Artie Lahey, nee Denham.

Marriage, George Lahey/Zola Johns, 1912, Florida
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FWWG-DXM

1910 US FED Census, Umatilla, Lake, Florida
John Paul Lahey Sr, Head 73, bn New York, Father English.
Margaret Lahey, 74, Wife, Bn England.
Agnes Lahey, 25, Dau, bn, England
John P Lahey, 11, Grandson, bn, Georgia.

[Bertieone]

The 1910 census, Margaret and Agnes give 1882 as the immigration year, 46 years married is declared.

Did John Paul Lahey marry Margaret in England?

[MaryA]

The 1910 census, Margaret and Agnes give 1882 as the immigration year

Considering Agnes year of birth would be only 1885 from the information given in 1910, that would be a bit difficult.

If we are assuming that the family came from Liverpool, there is actually a birth of an Agnes Leahy 1885 Jul-Aug-Sep Liverpool, however I believe I could match a baptism to that in July 1885, parents Thomas and Maria, and she married in 1913 in Idaho USA to Victor AG Rutterman?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... cc=1662500 Image available online. The witnesses were Ed Randall and Mary King.

I wonder if any of these names mean anything to our poster?

[Bertieone]

I thought the same myself Mary, further search,

1900 census, same family, daughters birth now 1883, 35 years married.

[Bertieone]

1885, Florida State Census, District 13, Orange County,

J D Lahey 48 New York head
M Lahey 51 England wife
L J Lahey 22 England dau
Geo Lahey 18 England son
L L Lahey 13 England dau
A Lahey 4 England dau

[MaryA]

Oh!! well that knocks our Liverpool lot out of the running doesn't it. Nice find Bert.

Any chance of finding Agnes in 1920 or is there the possibility that she could actually be the one who married Victor Rutterman? It shouldn't be at all as the parents are wrong, forget I said anything.

[Bertieone]

The L L Lahey, 1885 census,


Lula Louisa Lahey
Birth March 1872 in England

spotted on a tree.

[Bertieone]

Above,

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FP3W-MGZ

[dickiesam]

Re: The L L Lahey, 1885 census,
Lula Louisa Lahey
Birth March 1872 in England
spotted on a tree.

Lula may be a familiar name for her?
The only GRO Index birth that comes close...
LOUISA LAHY
Birth year/qtr: 1874 / Mar
District: LAMBETH, County of London
Volume: 1D; Page: 381

And Bert's find:

1910 US FED Census, Umatilla, Lake, Florida
John Paul Lahey Sr, Head 73, bn New York, Father English.

This John Paul Lahey was born in New York abt 1837 from an English father. Can't be the same family, can it?

[Bertieone]

Looks like the family,

Ship- Navada
Arrival, 29 May 1882
Depart-Liverpool
Destination- New York

[Bertieone]

And Bert's find:

1910 US FED Census, Umatilla, Lake, Florida
John Paul Lahey Sr, Head 73, bn New York, Father English.

This John Paul Lahey was born in New York abt 1837 from an English father. Can't be the same family, can it?[/quote]

What's your thinking, DS?

[alfredc1]

Thank you all. That information would be most helpful if I were certain that the 1877 birth date is correct. But I lean more to the theory that he was telling the truth in the US Census when he said he was born in 1866-7. There is no birth record for him, as sometimes happens. His emigration date he gave as 1882. He would be roughly 16 years of age at that time, and more likely to undertake the journey than would a five-year-old. In that case, his father is John P. Lahey (married to Margaret), who gave differing information about his origins, but most often that he was born in New York in 1832. Which does not exclude returning to England, marrying and having children. Why George Lahey sometimes said his father was born in Greece and sometimes England, I don't know. It is true that Corfu in Greece was in the 19th c. an English possession. But I doubt records were kept oin detail there. I confess myself baffled.

[dickiesam]

And Bert's find:

1910 US FED Census, Umatilla, Lake, Florida
John Paul Lahey Sr, Head 73, bn New York, Father English.

This John Paul Lahey was born in New York abt 1837 from an English father. Can't be the same family, can it?

What's your thinking, DS?

Back at the start we were looking at George Lahey...
Births Sep 1877; Lahey, George - Liverpool 8b 57
a child of this marriage:
Marriage: ISABELLA MOULES and MARTIN LEAHY
Marriage year/qtr: 1871 / Dec
District: LIVERPOOL; Volume 8B; Page 531

We appear to have switched track or, as you suggested there is there more than one George Lahey, perhaps with an 'accidentally' changed spelling of his surname.

From that 1885 Florida Census family list you found I can only ID one child...
ALICE LAHEY
Birth year/qtr: 1882 / Jun
District: LIVERPOOL; Volume: 8B; Page: 27

But the only George Lahey birth is the one that Albert got the birth cert for and he has different parents. And where is John Paul and Margaret Lahey and family in the 1871 and 1881 censuses?

To me it looks as though there could be more than one George Lahey in the US censuses, hence the different fathers. Perhaps the son of John Paul stuck with the unchanged family name of Lahey, while the son of Isobel and Martin stuck with the 'modified' surname that was entered on his birth cert, apparently in error.

[MaryA]

But I lean more to the theory that he was telling the truth in the US Census when he said he was born in 1866-7.

We may agree with this if we knew more and is why we have been looking at both families. Please respond to the questions posed on Page 1.

Surely Alfred should know by the other family members in the later census which is "his" George".

[Bertieone]

I think the first post caused some confusion, Alfred assumed the birth cert was the correct one because that was the only one available for a George Lahey born in Liverpool. The census information he has for his grandparents doesn't match, obviously it wouldn't, the parents are different. The information he does have for George Lahey with a father born in Greece, 1930 census, ties in with all the US information I have put up, however even right or wrong, none of that family can be found in the UK, not under the surname of Lahey.

In most information available, the father John Paul Lahey or George himself declares the father born in New York, apart from one occasion its registered as Greece, through further research, there's a Greece in New York. Has the enumerator not heard or recorded it correctly?

Oddly, Liverpool is mentioned on some records as the birthplace, can only think another version or different name has been used when here.

[Bertieone]

Forgot to add, there's also a Corfu in New York.

[Alison C]

FamilySearch has a marriage for John Paul Lahey to Lydia Marie Wiebke. JP's parents are listed as George Lahey and Artie Hoothhorn:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XX2G-Z6Q

[alfredc1]

Bert, what you say is convincing. There is a 1877 birth certificate for a George Lahey, but he is not my grandfather. There is, for whatever reason, no birth certificate for my grandfather. He seems to be the son of John P. Lahey, whose wife was Margaret. But the 1882 ship record posted here suggests that all three left together. So perhaps John P.L. came to Liverpool from New York, lived in England for several years, married and had a son. Then he repatriated in 1882. Why would he leave the US and come to the UK? I can speculate that he came in 1861 in order to avoid being drafted to fight in the Civil War. But I have zero support for that theory. Where Greece comes into the story, I don't know. But when I look at pictures of my mother (who died when I was two) I see a certain Mediterranean cast to her features. If only she had lived long enough to tell me the whole story.

[alfredc1]

Yes, Alsion C, my grandfather married twice, and there was a son by his first marriage who was given the name John Paul. Presumably because that was George Lahey's father's name. My mother Grace was the only child by his second wife, Zola Johns.