Finnan Family

[allanpshepherd123]

Hello simone

Many thanks for the clarification on Latin names, now I understand.

I have the "non Latin version" of the 1895 marriage certificate, it was the 13th September 1857 one for Patrick Finnen (Finnan) and Ellen Dunlevy (Danlovey) that I could not relate to. Again I now understand.

I am going to share the information so far with my wife's cousin Suzanne in America who can relay the information to her dad Dennis who's farther was John Leo Finnan who's parents were Patrick and Ellen Finnan nee Dunlevy. Phew!!

Best Regards
Allan

[MaryA]

Hello MaryA
I have Patrick and Ellen married 1857 8b 532 Sept first qtr but the marriage is shown as 13th September? Is the copy certificate that simone has shown that for 8b 532? If so why the vastly different spellings?

Check FreeBMD, the marriage is registered in the September quarter, which would be correct if it was on 13th of September, the names I gave were from the Parish Register, and since an RC church, would have been written by the priest, whereas the details from the official certificate would have been written by a Registrar who would have been required to attend the service to register the marriage - a Catholic priest was and still is unable to officially do this as a C of E vicar is.

[dickiesam]

Meant to post this earlier....

Findmypast and the Finnan family in the 1861 census: RG09 - 2653 - 35 - 65.

The transcription has the head of family Catherine Finnan [widow - 60] as being from Enniskillen, Ireland. While the census summary page does have a rare place of origin, it is definitely not Enniskillen. I haven't deciphered what is actually written yet but correction for Enniskillen has been submitted with the suggestion the place name be left queried [....?] for the moment.

The summary page also shows some family members as being born in Southtown, Ireland. I have lived here for nigh on 50 years and travelled the length and breadth of the country but haven't come across a Southtown. It may be a mangled version of South Down where I have been many times.
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/ireland/nor ... ings-to-do

[Bertieone]

Hi DS,

Ancestry has, Ryamore, Smethtown, Smithtown


Could it be Kylemore?

[dickiesam]

That place of origin for Catherine Finnan in the 1861...
It looks like it begins with Ry and ends with 'ore' but there aren't any place-names popping up that fit. However ignore the downstroke of the y as a 'typo', make it a u and we get...
Ruaunmore in County Wexford; Civil Parish of Killincooley; Poor Law Union of Gorey.

Watchya tink?

Edit for Bert's suggestion from Ancestry. Ran all three names through the Irish Times place-name index without a hit. But there are 6 Kylemore hits. But where is the 'l' and 'e'?
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/

[Bertieone]

Don't know about the l&e, things like this could put us in A&E

[dickiesam]

Don't know about the l&e, things like this could put us in A&E

I trust you have stocked up on the pills for the Christmas break?

[allanpshepherd123]

Hello dickiesam

Are we now going back one more generation? Is Catherine the mother of Patrick who married Ellen?

Catherine Finnan (widow) that you mention who was the head of the family in the census of 1861 aged 60 was therefore born in 1801. Who else is on the 1861 census?

I will have to visit my local library after New Year to access other census information prior to 1861.

Best Regards
Allan

[dickiesam]

Hello dickiesam
Are we now going back one more generation? Is Catherine the mother of Patrick who married Ellen?

See the details of Patrick and Ellen's marriage already posted.

Catherine Finnan (widow) that you mention who was the head of the family in the census of 1861 aged 60 was therefore born in 1801. Who else is on the 1861 census?

1861: RG09 - Piece: 2653 - Folio: 35 - Page: 65
Address: 283 Vauxhall Road, Liverpool
FINNAN, Catherine Head Widow 60 House Keeper Ireland
FINNAN, Patrick Son married 40 Labourer chemical wks Southtown, Ireland
FINNAN, Ellen Dtr-in-law 30 House Keeper Edenburgh, Scotland
FINNAN, Lawrance Son u/m 16 Labourer chemical wks Southtown, Ireland
FINNAN, William G.son 0 (2M) 1861 Liverpool, Lancashire
FINNAN, Patrick G.son 2 1859 Liverpool, Lancashire
DAFFEY, [?Duffey?] Thomas Boarder U/m 25 Labourer Chemical Wks Southtown, Ireland
LYNCH, Thomas Boarder Married 67 Labourer Chemical Wks Southtown, Ireland
LYNCH, Ellen Boarder Married 26 House Keeper Southtown, Ireland
LYNCH, Bridget Boarder 4 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire
LYNCH, Catherine Boarder 2 Liverpool, Lancashire

[dickiesam]

Hi DS,
Ancestry has, Ryamore, Smethtown, Smithtown

Re Smithtown...
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/index has 12 Smithstown entries including one in County Meath, the adjacent county to Westmeath where I found a Patrick Finnan 1818 baptism, parents Patrick and Catherine Finnan, on http://www.rootsireland.ie/

[dickiesam]

Catherine Finnan (widow) that you mention who was the head of the family in the census of 1861 aged 60 was therefore born in 1801.

Hi Allan,
I think it worth mentioning that ages in censuses can on occasion be wildly out. Even the actual census summary sheet age can be wrong by several years. Sometimes the difference is 'accidental' in that person didn't know their precise age. The household census forms were often filled in by a child in the family because the parents were often illiterate. This is especially true of Irish immigrant families. Sometimes the increase or decrease in age is deliberate. A 'youngish' widow who marries again may lose 5 or more years in the process. A young man may add a few years to be 'more mature' perhaps at his marriage. My 18 year old maternal g.father gained 3 years when he married in 1896. Mind you he had just got a coal miner's 18 year old daughter pregnant.....

Finally, the year of birth given in transcriptions is calculated from the age on the census summary sheet when the information is being transcribed. So if the age on the sheet is misread, the YoB will be wrong. Always check the summary sheet and keep that pinch of salt handy!

[MaryA]

Just to see if anybody else wants to try their hand at guessing the places.

[allanpshepherd123]

The information regarding the baptism of a Patrick Finnan in 1818 to the parents Patrick and Catherine Finnan is very interesting. I will after the New Year apply for Patrick and Ellen's marraige certificate 8b 532 on 13/09/1857.

Regarding the 1881 census showing children other than John who I already have details of his birth, marraige and death. I have through FreeBMD gathered possible marraige information on Partick, John, Catherine and James to see other Finnan links and where they lead to. Other possible links in North Wales.

We know from family talks many years ago that there are Owen Finnan links in Huyton Liverpool and I think it is from John Finnan aged 16 on the 1881 census. Possibly married 1895 8b 340 Liverpool, possibly had a son Owen Finnan born 1896 8b 8 who married 1924 8b 310 (spouse Walsh) and died 1965 10d 319 aged 68. Owen had a son possibly born 1932 who in turn had a daughter Nicolette Siobhan Finnan born 1965 who I meet many years ago very briefly when training for a particular job role after realising her maiden name was Finnan. Mentioned to my wife at the time who realised she was a cousin of hers.

Best Regards
Allan

[dickiesam]

Just to see if anybody else wants to try their hand at guessing the places.

The more I look at that Southtown now, the more I believe it to be Smithtown. This enumerator must have been short on ink because he hardly ever dots an i, even in Liverpool.