warrington 1841 census

[kimberlynn]

can anyone do a look up for me on john sephton born 1838 liverpool on the 1841 census when he was in warrington age 3 , many thanks.

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

To be certain that we have the correct entry we should really have some more information from you, ie parents, siblings etc. The 1841 census gives the only birthplaces as being born in or out of County, so we can't be certain that the birthplace was Liverpool, although resident in Warrington.

Try this one for size anyway.
Green Lane, Warrington, Lancashire
HO107; Piece: 521; Book: 1; Civil Parish: Warrington; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 6; Page: 5;
Henry Sephton 30 Foundry Man J Yes
Mary 20 Yes
John Sephton 3 Yes
Henry Sephton 75 Ag Lab Yes

Of course this request was also made on another forum http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.ph ... 589.0.html but it doesn't appear to have suited your needs.

[dickiesam]

can anyone do a look up for me on john sephton born 1838 liverpool on the 1841 census when he was in warrington age 3 , many thanks.

Hi,
There is only one John Sephton birth in Lancashire in 1838 but the birth was not registered in Liverpool. So it is very unlikely he was born in Liverpool but in the area covered by the Prescot Registry Office. Info on the areas covered is here: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/dist ... escot.html

Birth: SEPHTON, John
Registration district: Prescot, Lancashire
Year of registration: 1838; Sep qtr
Volume no: 20; Page no: 670

[dickiesam]

There is a John Edward Sefton bn Liverpool in 1838..

Birth: SEFTON, John Edward
Registration district: Liverpool
Year of registration: 1838; Sep qtr
Volume no: 20; Page no: 389

Is this the child you are referring to?

[kimberlynn]

yes dickie that's the one , i followed up on the one posted with henry and it was not my john, now i am at a loss i know he was in warrington in 1841 as his mother died in dallam lane in feb that yr along with his brother henry the day after .
and cannot find his father (john) in 1841 ,
i supposed john edward stayed perhaps with relatives whilst his father worked, his father remarried in oct 41 and john edward is on the 1851 with them in monks coppenhall cheshire.i did look on find ~~past website and found one john sephton born 1838 abode warrington but subs ran out, was hoping someone could kindly look for me but dont like to ask, this is so frustrating i have every other census (except 1861 for john edward) and would like to know where he went. with thanks.

[dickiesam]

i did look on find ~~past website and found one john sephton born 1838 abode warrington but subs ran out,

Hi,
The census you refer to above is the one that MaryA posted...

HO107 - Piece: 521 - Book/Folio: 1/6 - Page: 5
Address: Green Lane, Warrington, Burtonwood, Lancashire
SEPHTON, Henry - 30 - Lancashire
SEPHTON, Mary - 20 - Lancashire
SEPHTON, John - 3 - Lancashire
SEPHTON, Henry - 75 - Lancashire

[MaryA]

As was the information given two years ago, but although you state that it is the "wrong" one, I see no reason why. Have you investigated the father to see if there is any relationship to Henry or indeed the older Henry?

[kimberlynn]

yes i have, i also have been informed by another sephton tree that john was henry and marys son so it cannot be my john,
the father was illegitimate so i cannot find any other relatives. this is one of the reasons i would like to find him as i may get a clue.

[MaryA]

No problem as I assume you have documentary evidence to prove what the other "Sephton Tree" has advised you.

Also of course you have the birth certificate which you agree is the entry found by Dickiesam - what is the mother's maiden name given on it please?

[dickiesam]

Re:

HO107 - Piece: 521 - Book/Folio: 1/6 - Page: 5
Address: Green Lane, Warrington, Burtonwood, Lancashire
SEPHTON, Henry - 30 - Lancashire
SEPHTON, Mary - 20 - Lancashire
SEPHTON, John - 3 - Lancashire
SEPHTON, Henry - 75 - Lancashire

From LOPC:
Baptisms: 3 Jun 1838 Chapel of St Mary, Great Sankey, Lancashire, England
John Sephton - Child of Henry Sephton & Mary Ann
Abode: Burtonwood
Occupation: Husbandman
Baptised by: Danl. Slyman Curate
Register: Baptisms 1834 - 1869, Page 27, Entry 209

And have you checked these?
Baptisms: 13 May 1839 St Peters, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Sephton - Child of Henry Sephton & Jane
Abode: Brownlow Hill
Occupation: Rope Maker
Baptised by: Tho. Halton Curate
Register: Baptisms 1839, Page 162, Entry 1295

Burial: 12 Jun 1840 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Sefton - Age: 13 months
Abode: Brownlow Hill
Buried by: J G Headlam Offg Min
Register: Burials 1827 - 1853, Page 202, Entry 1612

[Hilary]

Bear in mind the 1841 census do not give relationships so what one thinks is a married couple may not be and a child may be a niece, nephew or son, daughter.

I was confidently declared a James and Ann were huusband and wife and the chidl Richard was their son. It turned out James and Ann were brother and sister and the child Richard was their half brother. their father had been married 3 times!!!!

[kimberlynn]

thank you all for replies,to mary a- the mother was elizabeth brown born 1814 died feb 1841- along with his brother henry (1840) , his father remarried in oct 1841 to sarah leadbeater and the family was in monks coppenhall in 1851 along with john edward.

[MaryA]

Referring back to my queries, please give the

documentary evidence to prove what the other "Sephton Tree" has advised you.

the mother was elizabeth brown born 1814 died feb 1841- along with his brother henry (1840)

Has this information been gleaned from the birth certificate of
SEFTON, John Edward
Registration district: Liverpool
Year of registration: 1838; Sep qtr
Volume no: 20; Page no: 389

[Katie]

I Could be wrong. But this Sephton Family I have helped someone before who came to the Record Office. I think it may have been a member of the Society it was a man.

[Katie]

http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... it=sephton

I knew this had been covered before.

[dickiesam]

http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... it=sephton

I knew this had been covered before.

Sephton/Sefton has been ringing bells for me as well. Although I didn't actually post in the earlier topic whenever I searched on the surnames my site told me I had been been there before.

[kimberlynn]

sorry i dont have the documentary evidence now as my comp died last yr and i lost a lot of stuff but i do remember them having the 1851 census as john was still with henry and mary so it could not be my john edward as he was with his father in 1851, i have certs for the deaths of elizabeth (brown) and her son in 1841 i sent for them from the record office, yes- we have been to liverpool record office in liverpool too katie, but we are not a member of the society. i think this is one i cannot win with - but i would like to thank you all for your time.