Dilworth 14 Fletcher Rd Toxteth Park 1883

[avoca]

Have birth certificate for my grandmother, Eliza Jane Dilworth, dated Feb. 13, 1883. Father was William Crawford Dilworth, occupation: Carter, and mother Sarah Jane Navill (misspelled as should be Nevill).

They were married in St. Andrews Church in Dungannon south of Belfast and they returned from Liverpool to live in Belfast after my grandmother's birth. Sarah Jane (her mother), died in 1885 in Belfast (may have been at childbirth of Louisa) and is buried in Killyman Burying Ground in NI. Widowed father came to Quebec Canada with my grandmother and her sister eventually following.

Visiting Liverpool from Canada early December and would like to visit area in Toxteth Park where they lived. Appreciate any information known about family and also suggestions on how best to visit (using public transit).

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

Can you give full details from the marriage of William and Sarah and also the address from the birth certificate of Eliza Jane.

[avoca]

Hi, address from birth certificate is in heading of this post ie 14 Fletcher Road, Toxteth Park.

In visit to Belfast 2 years ago and posting on their genealogy forum I was able to follow up on the NI portion that seems to form most of my grandmother's UK history. Big help was Wilfred Dilworth who has done much on Dilworth family history and lives in Dungannon area of NI (about an hour from Belfast). He showed me around cemetery of St. Andrews Church (once known as Killyman burying ground). It seems there were 2 main branches of the Dilworth family that came over to NI originally.

Listing below what I learned about her parents as named on her birth certificate:
William Crawford Dilworth (1859-1897 Arundel QC) and Sarah Jane Nevill(e) (?-1885) were married in the Church of Ireland, Killyman, Feb. 13, 1882.

[Blue70]

Hi Avoca

Here is a transcript on Family Search of the baptism I think the church was probably St. Peter's in Church Street which was the parish church of Liverpool. Unfortunately it was demolished so is no longer there:-

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NL94-SK3


The address may be Fletcher Street rather than Fletcher Road. Here is an old map of Fletcher Street. It was just south of Windsor Street between Upper Stanhope Street and Upper Hill Street. Once again unfortunately this street is no longer there the area is within walking distance of the Anglican Cathedral:-

http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co. ... z/rt79.htm


Blue

[daggers]

Hello
I cannot find a Fletcher Road, but there was a Fletcher Street in the Toxteth area. It disappeared in redevelopment a few years back. It ran parallel with Windsor Street which survives.

There may be photos of the street and general area in the city's Record Office which is currently closed but may have reopened after renovation before you arrive.

Others on this forum may be able to steer you to other sites.

I have now looked at the 1881 census - are these the right family?
William Dilworth, 58, Jane, wife, 52, both b. Ireland with Jane, 24, William, 22, Rebeca, 15 & Sarah, 12? The children were born in Scotland and Liverpool.
They were at No 4, 3 Court, Chesterfield Street, also Toxteth Park, not far from Fletcher Street. It ran behind St James's Church which is still there, being renovated after a spell of closure and vandalism. The court building will have been demolished.

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[MaryA]

I have now looked at the 1881 census - are these the right family?
William Dilworth, 58, Jane, wife, 52, both b. Ireland with Jane, 24, William, 22, Rebeca, 15 & Sarah, 12? The children were born in Scotland and Liverpool.
They were at No 4, 3 Court, Chesterfield Street, also Toxteth Park, not far from Fletcher Street.

That's what I saw, but did wonder if it might possibly be grandparents and the father being the young William? which was why I asked for the details from the marriage to see if the father's name matched this entry and what were the ages of the groom and bride.

[avoca]

Many thanks as addresses and churches provide destinations to explore when visiting. Apologies as it was Fletcher Street. I think too that the William (son) on census is likely my grandmother's father as he was born in 1859 that would make him 22 at the time. Seems he was born in Scotland so hopefully on a future trip to Scotland can explore those roots.

A bit of surfing seems to turn up Dilworth as a common current surname in Liverpool these days - wondering if I am right about that? It is fairly common in North America. When in NI Wilfred Dilworth said it was quite common at one time there but not now. I have emailed him to see if he can provide me with further information about the Dilworth NI-Liverpool connection of the Dungannon Dilworths.

[Blue70]

This map has both Fletcher Street (top right) and Chesterfield Street (top right just north of St. James church the street still exists) on it:-

http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co. ... rt1013.htm


Blue

[avoca]

Thank you - this map will be helpful to have. It appears they lived in same area of city at the time.

Wondering if the 1881 census referred to in this post has occupations or just names and ages in addition to address?

[Blue70]

William Crawford Dilworth's baptism in Scotland:-

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F77K-5PK


Also his original Scottish birth registry record image is available on here:-

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/


Family Search 1881 Census information (click on each name):-

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQDV-1P4


Blue

[avoca]

Great links - thank you. I notice occupation of father in 1881 census was porter and wondering if same as carter like son's occupation on birth certificate. Son, William on census is listed as Lab and assuming means labourer.

[Blue70]

Working class men often moved between the jobs of porter, labourer and carter.


Blue

[Bertieone]

Help with occupations

http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html

[avoca]

Thanks to both of you. Starting to get a sense of relatives of that generation.

[JayTea]

As well as Fletcher Street there was also Fletcher Grove.

Check out the 1901 A-Z Street maps at

http://www.liverpool-city-group.com

[avoca]

Just wanted to let those who posted here know that I have returned from my 4 days in Liverpool and the information given on this forum was very helpful in knowing which area to focus on re family roots ie around Anglican Cathedral. I did not walk and explore area too much but from tour I took got a sense of the neighbourhood which as was pointed out has changed over the years. The Museums, tours etc also provided a feel for Liverpool of that time. It is a great city to explore with many diverse historical strands over the years and very glad to have visited.

I would advise anyone searching out family information to get as much of the identifier numbers as possible including area from city records and order birth certificates etc online from city site. I had some email contact with someone at library prior to having necessary information who said she couldn't locate and they would provide search services for a fee. I understand that as I am sure they receive many requests and the searching is time-consuming.

Very happy to have come across this forum as very helpful.

[MaryA]

Thank you for your update, I'm glad you enjoyed your visit.