Michael Garry

[joannecbennett]

ok. Thanks. I wouldn't know which parish to start looking in.

Yes, I have Ellen Garry on 1911 census, she is Michael's daughter in law and was a widow at the time. There doesn't seem to be any extra information there though.

[MaryA]

I feel that we have really jumped into the middle of their lives and also found an incorrect family. If you would like us to have another look at this for you, would it be possible to start from the more recent censuses and marriages and births that you have evidence for, confirming the father's name. Try listing the 1901 censuses please, and perhaps fresh eyes might help.

[dickiesam]

Yes, sorry, it seems things need another rethink.

Civil Registration for Ireland only covers the following years.

Births from 1864
Marriages from 1845
Deaths from 1864

If I have those dates wrong I think Dickiesam will correct me. I believe that to find information about the births of the children it will need to be parish registers.

Have you followed any of them through to the 1911 census as this one often gives a little more detail than the earlier ones?

Just confirming MaryA's post with an extract from the Irish GRO history page..
1845 was the first year in which marriages (other than Roman Catholic Marriages) were registered and 6,114 marriages were recorded in the last nine months of the year. The majority of these (4118 were according to the rites of the Established Church, 1586 were in Presbyterian Meeting Houses and 348 marriages were before Registrars of Marriages. In 1864 the first year for the registration of Births, Deaths and Marriages (including Catholic Marriages) - there were 136,643 births, 94,095 deaths and 27, 373 marriages recorded.

[joannecbennett]

Thanks Mary. The 1901 census is for Edward Garry, Michael's son. ref RG13; Piece: 3593; Folio: 185; Page: 22. It notes:
24 Nel Pan Lane, Leigh, Lancashire
Edward Garry Head age 49 born approx 1852 Ireland Coal Miner
Ellen Garry Wife age 46 born approx 1855 Ince
Amelia daughter age 23 born approx 1878 Leigh drawing tenter in cotton mill
Maggie daughter age 20 born approx 1881 Leigh frame tenter
Mary daughter age 13 born approx 1888 Leigh tenter
Edward son age 8 born approx 1893
Esther daughter age 6 born approx 1895
James uncle age 53 born approx 1848 Ireland drawer in coal mine.

Hope that helps.

[MaryA]

I can't fault your findings of the census entries - except the last name in the 1881 census for Michael's family doesn't really look like "Catherine" but as it is in the female column, I think it would have to be acceptable, however, in the censuses where he has his family with him he does claim both times to be a widower.

My feeling is either that he came to England around 1861 to establish a home for the family and his wife died before she could come over, or that they had separated before coming to England but after she died he then brought the children.

So far as the death certificate is concerned that you have, I believe the clue is in the place of Lowton.

In the 1881 census there is indeed a Michael (age 44) Garry, born Ireland and wife Catherine (age 45) with stepson Patrick King (age 24) born Warrington. They live in Barrow Lane, Newton in Makerfield and geographically it would makes sense that the death certificate belongs to this man.

I did wonder if this could have been your Michael, remarried, however, the marriage to Catherine King took place in Warrington in 1868 which seems to rule this out.

I'm sorry but I don't see any evidence over the 20 years that his wife was in England.