Searching for marriage record

[simone]

ohhh blinky blimey.. I've seen Landing waiter somewhere else and can't remember where now



Samuel Aston married Ann Rushton in 1837... no further details on marriage..
there is a Samuel Aston living in same house as a Mary Rushton age 50 in 1841... no sign of Ann.

HO107; Piece: 558 Folio: 40; Page: 20; Line: 2

that's a good find of Alison's but havent been able to pin them down before marriage

too many people with same names again

will have to wait on an answer to Mary's question about the birth I think, otherwise we are just going around in circles...

Simone x

[simone]

Marriage: 7 Mar 1857 St Paul, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Roberts - Full Master Carter Widower of Nash Grove
Mary Aston - Full Spinster of Finch Street

If Mary Aston was a spinster had she been busy producing those 2 step-children listed in the 1861, Mary E Aston and George Aston, out-of-wedlock? If yes where are they in 1851?

Here she is in 1851:
ASTON, Mary - Spinster - 41 - 1810 - Teacher - Liverpool, Lancashire.
ASTON, George - Brother - Married - 27 - 1824 - Liverpool, Lancashire.
GIBSON, Ann - Servant - U/m - 17 - 1834 - Servant - Lancaster, Lancashire.
Address: 92 Finch Street, Liverpool
HO107 - Piece: 2184 - Folio: 257 - Page: 33.

marriage of brother George on Ancestry..to Margaret Harriosn in 1846.. father Edward Aston, Gentleman

[dickiesam]

Marriage: 7 Mar 1857 St Paul, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Roberts - Full Master Carter Widower of Nash Grove
Mary Aston - Full Spinster of Finch Street

If Mary Aston was a spinster had she been busy producing those 2 step-children listed in the 1861, Mary E Aston and George Aston, out-of-wedlock? If yes where are they in 1851?

Here she is in 1851:
ASTON, Mary - Spinster - 41 - 1810 - Teacher - Liverpool, Lancashire.
ASTON, George - Brother - Married - 27 - 1824 - Liverpool, Lancashire.
GIBSON, Ann - Servant - U/m - 17 - 1834 - Servant - Lancaster, Lancashire.
Address: 92 Finch Street, Liverpool
HO107 - Piece: 2184 - Folio: 257 - Page: 33.

marriage of brother George on Ancestry..to Margaret Harriosn in 1846.. father Edward Aston, Gentleman

So Mary Ellen and George Aston are actually in-laws? Children of Spinster Mary's brother?
Talk about stirring the pot....

[simone]

1851
HO107; Piece: 2183; Folio: 141; Page: 9
24 Crown St
James Rushton 75 proprietor of house
Bridget Rushton 73
Samuel Rushton (actually Ashton) 37 teacher son in law
Ann Ashton 32
Bridget Ashton 11
May E Ashton 8 grandaughter (Mary E) someone in New Zealand has submitted a correction
Elizabeth Jones 22


getting no where

[simone]

So Mary Ellen and George Aston are actually in-laws? Children of Spinster Mary's brother?
Talk about stirring the pot....

I don't know are they

[Gray]

Have a rest Simone, you've done more than enough!


GrayXX

[simone]

yes, think I need a lie down

Mary Ellen Aston says her dad Samuel 'in customs house' when she marries William Roberts in 1862
but the Mary Ellen on census in 1851 has dad Samuel and he is listed as a Teacher..changed profession do you think?

[Gray]

Possibly Simone but at this moment

Sweet dreams!

Graxx

[simone]

so

found this family in 1861

RG 9; Piece: 2681; Folio: 5; Page: 5;William Roberts 51
William Roberts 51 master carter
Mary Roberts 50
John Roberts 12
Mary E Aston 18 daur
George Aston 15 son in law
Elizabeth Kelly servant

is this the same Mary Ellen age 8 with Samuel and Ann in 1851

so is Mary Roberts nee Aston the sister of Samuel?

doesn't help with Henry Hawkins does it

night night

[dickiesam]

so

found this family in 1861

RG 9; Piece: 2681; Folio: 5; Page: 5;William Roberts 51
William Roberts 51 master carter
Mary Roberts 50
John Roberts 12
Mary E Aston 18 daur
George Aston 15 son in law
Elizabeth Kelly servant

is this the same Mary Ellen age 8 with Samuel and Ann in 1851

so is Mary Roberts nee Aston the sister of Samuel?

doesn't help with Henry Hawkins does it

night night

The census summary page indicates that Mary E Aston, aged 18, is a 'daughter - in law'. The 'in-law' is written below but there's a - after 'daughter' on the line above.

Good night!

[linwood247]

Well! I’m flabbergasted at the number of replies, as well as the information dug up, not to mention the fascinating possibilities suggested! Thank you, thank you, you kind, knowledgeable, resourceful group of people for the time and energy you have put in researching and replying to my post.
To begin, the b.cert. giving Mary Ellen’s name ‘formerly Roberts’ is my grandmother’s, Sarah, July 1886. Yes, dickisam and simone found the right family, at Paley Street in 1881, Rishton St. in 1871, Olivia St in 1911. In 1901 they’re at Stanley Road in Bootle, Mary Ellen a widow, living with daughter Elizabeth, married to Andrew Johnson (Andro Jonson), a Norwegian sailor. In 1891 Mary Ellen and the children were living in Pleasant Sq., but Henry and daughter Maria are missing. I did find a Henry in the workhouse. There was another Henry Hawkins born the same year but he’d died by then, so looks as if that’s our Henry. But would that make sense, husband in the workhouse while wife and kids live elsewhere?
Re baptisms: Henry was baptized in April 1843 St. Peter’s, parents Wm and Elizabeth, address Leeds St. Same parents on the 1841 census same address. Wm & Eliz marriage St. Peter’s June 1839, Leeds St. On all records Wm is listed as ‘customs officer’ so that helps. Son Wm baptized St. Mary’s Kirkdale 1880, I also found baptisms for two Elizabeths, (FamilySearch) 1875 and 1876. I believe the first died and the name was recycled. This was also the case for Maria, one b. 1879, one b. 1884.
(Btw, of the 11 children, I know of 10 – Mary Ellen, Henry, Elizabeth, Elizabeth, Maria, William, Jane, Maria, Sarah, John.)
(Btw, on 1841 census, Wm and Eliz are living with her parents, father Hugh Davies and can anyone tell me the name of Elizabeth’s mother? I can’t make it out.)
I hope Henry and Mary Ellen made it legal. It was bad enough when I discovered my grandmother’s marriage date and my mum realized her mum was already pregnant. Now I might have to tell her that her mother was born out of wedlock! The downside to genealogy research!

[linwood247]

Could the children have been baptised if the parents weren’t legally married?
I didn’t know of that LanOPC site - thanks for that, among everything else.

[simone]

The census summary page indicates that Mary E Aston, aged 18, is a 'daughter - in law'. The 'in-law' is written below but there's a - after 'daughter' on the line above.

Good night!

I know Brian.. It's sooo confusing sometimes, the terms they used. Have seen in law used for a variety of situations why didn't they just say it like it was

[Alison C]

Hello,

I think I have found the burial place of Mary Ellen Roberts (nee Aston) and her husband William Roberts in Toxteth Park.

There are the following Aston/Roberts graves in Toxteth Park Cemetery:

In Consecrated Section D, Grave 116 are:
ASTON George, 34 years, Book Keeper, Finch Street, 12 October 1857
ASTON Samuel, 55 years, H.M Customs , 40 Crown Street, 19 July 1868
ROBERTS Emma, 7 years, Infant, 40 Crown Street, 10 December 1869
ROBERTS Mary Ellen, 69 years, Married Woman, The Town Hall Birkenhead, 28 April 1914
ROBERTS, William, 74 years, -, 22 Truro Road Wavertree, 30 November 1916

In Consecrated Section D, Grave 274 are:
ASTON Edward, 29 years, Collector, 44 Crown Street, 12 April 1872
JONES William Henry, 23 years, Joiner, Mill Road Hospital Everton, 4 June 1877
ROBERTS Mary, 68 years, Widow, 14 Cambridge Street, 20 May 1878

It looks therefore like Mary Ellen Aston remained married to William Roberts up to her death in 1914.

Alison xx

[Alison C]

PS....the Toxteth Park Inscriptions site shows the inscription on the Aston/Roberts grave as:

In memory of George ASTON, born 8th April 1823, died 9th October 1857. Also Samuel brother of the above, late of Her Majesty's Customs, who died 14th July 1868 aged 55 years. Also Amelia Emma only child of, William and Mary Ellen ROBERTS, who died 7th December 1869 aged 7 years. *Blessed are the pure in heart / for they shall see God.* Also the above Mary Ellen ROBERTS, who died 25th April 1914, aged 69 years. A perfect woman. One who lived for others.

What a lovely tribute to Mary Ellen

[simone]

Hello,

I think I have found the burial place of Mary Ellen Roberts (nee Aston) and her husband William Roberts in Toxteth Park.

It looks therefore like Mary Ellen Aston remained married to William Roberts up to her death in 1914.

Alison xx

great work Alison that rules her out then back to drawing board..
off to look at young Sarah Hawkins who was married to Henry the mariner and claims to be married on her own in 1881..

[dickiesam]

From Linwood's original post:

Children Mary Ellen (born 1871)

Where is this child's birth. I think we had ruled out the only Mary Ellen bn in 1871 because her mother was not correct at the baptism.

[simone]

I'm a bit confused at the mo over this family
at 11 Hartrup St in 1881

RG11; Piece: 3669; Folio: 125; Page: 36
Sarah Hawkins 38 married Mariners wife
Henry Hawkins 10
Frederick Hawkins 8

both these children have been baptised together in 1874, 26 April
Henry b 21 March 1870
Frederick b 19 Feb 1872 (looks like reg under spelling Hawkens, Mar q 1872)
but dad's occupation is Sailmaker

I thought that, although Sarah states she is married in 1881, I had found a possible death for her hubby in 1872 age 29, Jun q. Why not say she is a widow on census, no embarrasment there.

Now I find a marriage in 1893 for Abel Richard Hawkins age 26, father Henry a Sailmaker, but I can't find anything for this Abel Richard before marriage:(

My original thinking was that maybe Henry had married Sarah and left her for Mary but can't even see a marriage for Henry to Sarah
probably a total red herring but driving me crazy

Simone x

found this family in 1871.. under name Hawker, but looks like Hawken on page... children Abel and Herny with them .. all born Cornwall... dad henry a sailmaker...he is 29, so he is likely the death in Jun q 1872 .probably can rule this family out then

[simone]

(Btw, on 1841 census, Wm and Eliz are living with her parents, father Hugh Davies and can anyone tell me the name of Elizabeth’s mother? I can’t make it out.)

can you give us the census details so we can have a look

Simone x

[linwood247]

duh, sorry, is this what you need? 1841 England census -
Piece: 555
Book: 12
Folio: 5
Page Number: 2