Kelly family

[dickiesam]

Thanks for the marriage cert Blue. For me, with Margaret Eliza Kelly's father being a solicitor, it puts a further doubt in a connection to being Superintendant of the West of England Fire Engine. I can however understand her father may have worked at a solicitor's office as a book-keeper in 1842, and in the intervening 20 years have progressed.

[Blue70]

Here's the marriage record for James Kelly:-





Blue

[MaryA]

Thanks Blue, unfortunately it doesn't say what he was Superintendent of.

[dickiesam]

From my earlier post...

In the same qtr of the same year Peter, the father, is both a book-keeper and a "Superintendent"

It doesn't add up and reinforces my thinking that these are two different Peter Kellys in Liverpool at that time.

[Blue70]

1843 Gore's Directory of Liverpool

Kelly Peter, police officer, 6, Henry Street


Blue

[dickiesam]

1843 Gore's Directory of Liverpool

Kelly Peter, police officer, 6, Henry Street
Blue

Well Blue, that's enough for me to be sure these are 2 Peter Kellys. But where does the phrase 'Superintendent of the West of England Fire Engine' come from if this Peter was a fairly senior police officer? Could it be a misreading of Superintendent and/at the West of England Fire Engine.

[cjf]

Hi,
I have read both of your conversations and looked at the marriage cert that show's just Superintendant, it really is ming boggling and i thank you both very much for trying to solve this mystery with me.
I obtained the marriage cert from the registry office in Liverpool for James and Margaret (1844) and i can assure you it reads. Superintendant of the West of Englands, (the words fire engine are missing) and i can't for the life of me think where i read it.

Were there two Peter Kelly's at Henry street at the same time I ask, I have not been able to locate Henry street on the 1841 census to find this out, and the only evidence i have of the building belonging to The West Of England is from the print i have showing the fire engine with fire officers outside and the W.O.E written on the building.

When i get Robert Lemuel Kelly's marriage cert for 1885 in L'pool, I wonder will it read
father- Peter Kelly Occupation Prime Minister ??.

Thanks again Blue and Dickiesam

[dickiesam]

Hi,
As well as 2 [at least] Peter Kellys there are 2 streets called Henry in the 1841:

RG # HO107 - Piece: 565 - Book/Folio: 5/43 - Page: 33
Reg. District: Liverpool; Sub District: St Thomas.
Parish: Liverpool
Address: Henry Street, Liverpool

RG # HO107 - Piece: 519 - Book/Folio: 6/48 - Page: 13.
Reg. District: Derby, West; Sub District: Everton
Parish: Walton on the Hill
Address: Henry Street, Walton On The Hill, Everton, Liverpool.

How do you know that picture you refer to was taken in Liverpool. If the West of England Fire Brigade were here on a temp basis, why have their name up on the station wall? Can you scan it and post here? I have strolled the length of both streets in 1841 and 1851 and didn't come across a fire station. Might have missed it of course... mainly multi-occupancy residences and shops etc.

[Blue70]

After a search on "West of England Fire" I found some interesting information. The first link is straight forward information but the second mentions a part-time superintendent who was also a bookkeeper! The police officer I found on the 1843 directory could even be a fire police officer so one person could possibly be all three: police, superintendent and bookkeeper:-

http://www.aviva.com/about-us/heritage/ ... e-company/

http://www.merseyfire.gov.uk/Historical/earlyYears.htm


Blue

[dickiesam]

Hi Blue,
Your links put a quite different perspective on the Peter Kelly 'saga'. The sentence 'The West of England was thereafter the sole Insurance Brigade on Merseyside and by 1851 one Benjamin Barrett a bookkeeper was the part time Superintendent of the Brigade' is enlightening to say the least and puts my doubts back into the melting pot. Tiz a puzzlement!

[Blue70]

Lloyd's Weekly London Newspaper from Sunday 22nd June 1845






Blue

[cjf]

Thanks for the cert for Margaret and William , I have that already.

[cjf]

Blue,
I can't thank you enough for what you have done for me and to get that write-up is beyond believe, You are great.
i have tried to post the print for you the site won't let me insert image , but i am told i need the administrator's permission to post items, could you tell me how i get that please.
Thanks again Blue

[cjf]

dickiesam,
Do you think that is why i can't find Peter on 1851 census because he perhaps left L'pool when this other guy took over the W.O.England?.
I have a friend in the U.S trying to get George Peter Kelly's birth cert 1844, she can get it faster than waiting for L'pool registry office, I am in my 8th week waiting for cert's that i have ordered.
Thanks again for all your help with Peter Kelly.
Carol

[Gray]

Hi Blue,

Have been following this topic with interest.

Said earlier, there are genies on here who work magic!

Very well done.


Gray

[MaryA]

Instructions on how to show a picture in your message.
http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... =16&t=9817

If Liverpool Register Office have such a long waiting list, you might be better ordering from the GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk they might be a lot quicker and even slightly cheaper.

[Blue70]

Blue,
I can't thank you enough for what you have done for me and to get that write-up is beyond believe, You are great.
i have tried to post the print for you the site won't let me insert image , but i am told i need the administrator's permission to post items, could you tell me how i get that please.
Thanks again Blue

You're welcome you never know what's waiting to be found out there. It's great when you get a glimpse of old Liverpool in a newspaper article. This is the information MaryA posted about putting up images:-

http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... =16&t=9817


Blue

[Blue70]

Hi Blue,

Have been following this topic with interest.

Said earlier, there are genies on here who work magic!

Very well done.


Gray

Thanks Gray.

Blue

[dickiesam]

Blue,
I can't thank you enough for what you have done for me and to get that write-up is beyond believe, You are great.
i have tried to post the print for you the site won't let me insert image , but i am told i need the administrator's permission to post items, could you tell me how i get that please.
Thanks again Blue

Hi,
To post a picture here you need to use Photobucket. It is relatively easy.

1) If you are not already a member paste http://photobucket.com/ into your browser and join the site. Photobucket is a free image hosting website.

2) Make sure the image scan is the best quality image you can manage and is a reasonable size. If necessary you should crop the image to show only the part that is being queried, such as a name. If you don't have an image cropping utility you can use the one on the Photobucket site.

3) Follow the on-screen instruction to upload your picture to the site. Save the picture to your 'album'. When you run the mouse over the picture a small drop-down menu will appear. Left-click on the IMG Code in that menu. A yellow box flashes up, with Copied written in it.

4) Now go to the 'Post a reply' box on the forum topic where you want show your photo. Write your message then page down one or two lines. Place the cursor at the left of the message window, right-click the mouse and select Paste. This will paste the code that you copied from Photobucket into your message. The picture will not immediately appear. It only comes up when you click Preview to see your image before you submit your message or click Submit to send the message and image to the forum topic.

Good luck

[MaryA]

Oops I missed the link didn't I?