Hazeldine/Hasleden

[philandsj]

Can anyone help?
I have Mary Ann Hazeldine b between 1838 - 43 in Warrington. In 1871 she was living in the workhouse as an unmarried mother with children Mary Ann (1861), Peter (1863), Henry (1865), John 1867. I can't find her before that date so can't push my research forward. I think the spelling of hazeldine can change. Any help would be really gratefully received!
sj

[Tina]

Hello SJ and a warm welcome to the forum.
I haven't had a chance to look further back for Mary Ann, just like to share the good news with the
peeps that in 1891 as Hazeldene, she is out of the workhouse, 45 King St Warrington
aged 48yrs widow, Henry 26 painter, John 24 gas engineers labr, Mary Alice 11 scholar
all born Warrington.

[Tina]

I have sent a message to Anc. There is no facility in their corrections to advise they have Henry's father and mother incorrect. They were just people listed at the workhouse. Not good enough.

1881 27 King St Warrington, Mary A Hazeldine widow 40, Peter 18 genl labr, Harry 16 painters app, John 14 errand boy.
1901 Peter is head of the family sadly widowed 37 Rlwy Engine Driver, son Harry 10, mother Mary Ann 63 wid
brother John 34, sister Mary Alice 21.
36 Queen St Warrington.

[philandsj]

yes tina, i found the "parents" on the workhouse record very confusing! henry was my great grandfather and i know he moved to london and the family seemed to do ok! i have also found the name hazleder which i think could be relating to this family but there seems very little for me to even be able to cross reference!

[Tina]

Hi SJ nice to hear from you. Yes I saw Henry in London in the last census.
Good news.
So we need to find Mary A in previous census before the workhouse yes?

[philandsj]

yes tina that's right! i have seen an entry which has a mary ann with father richard and i think there's a sister allise but i don't know if they're connected. there's also a death for an alice hazledine on cheshire bmd but i can't really tie it all in!

sj

[dickiesam]

I have sent a message to Anc. There is no facility in their corrections to advise they have Henry's father and mother incorrect. They were just people listed at the workhouse. Not good enough.

1881 27 King St Warrington, Mary A Hazeldine widow 40, Peter 18 genl labr, Harry 16 painters app, John 14 errand boy.
1901 Peter is head of the family sadly widowed 37 Rlwy Engine Driver, son Harry 10, mother Mary Ann 63 wid
brother John 34, sister Mary Alice 21.
36 Queen St Warrington.

I think that find of Tina's in the 1881 census indicates that Mary Ann never married and called herself 'widow' to explain grown-up children and no husband in sight. That assumes the 1871 workhouse administrators got her 'condition' correct as unmarried in the first place. Would be worth getting a birth cert for one of the children to find out if she was a 'single mother' or not.

Incidentally, the 1871 summary page shows that Mary Ann and the children were in the 'F Hospital', presumably Fever Hospital, not the workhouse proper.

HASELDINE, Peter
Registration district: Warrington, Lancashire
Year/qtr of registration: 1862 / Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume no: 8C; Page no: 156

HAZELDEN, Mary Anne
Registration district: Wigan, Lancashire
Year/qtr of registration: 1862 / Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume no: 8C; Page no: 119.

There's 2 births for a Henry:
HASELDEN, Henry - Warrington - 1864.
HASELDINE, Henry Sefton - Warrington - 1864.

There are 6 possible births for a John to choose from!

[MaryA]

Looking for baptisms, I know there are two Peter Hazeldine's born in Warrington about the same time, but one was to parents John and Esther. There are also a couple of interesting entries on the Online Parish Clerk site

Baptisms: 13 Jan 1865 Holy Trinity, Warrington, Lancashire, England
Henry Sefton Haseldain - Son of Richard Haseldain & Mary Ann
Abode: Hart's Buildings
Occupation: Wire Drawer
Baptised by: John Leach Incumbent
Register: Baptisms 1816 - 1885, Page 45, Entry 353
Source: LDS Film 2068606

Baptisms: 13 Jan 1865 Holy Trinity, Warrington, Lancashire, England
Peter Haseldain - Son of Richard Haseldain & Mary Ann
Abode: Hart's Buildings
Occupation: Wire Drawer
Baptised by: John Leach Incumbent
Register: Baptisms 1816 - 1885, Page 44, Entry 352
Source: LDS Film 2068606

Mary Ann may have invented Richard for shames sake, but it doesn't surprise me that there are baptisms as she would probably know that she might need Parish Relief at some time and would only be able to get it if the children were baptised into the Parish.

[philandsj]

i have the henry sefton hazeldine birth cert which gives no father. he does give peter as his father on his marriage certificate, which i'm sure is just for "show"! i have not come across the online parish register before but as you can see there seems to be loads of ways to spell hazeldine! i do think mary ann's father might be richard but have no proof
sj

[dickiesam]

i have the henry sefton hazeldine birth cert which gives no father. he does give peter as his father on his marriage certificate, which i'm sure is just for "show"! i have not come across the online parish register before but as you can see there seems to be loads of ways to spell hazeldine! i do think mary ann's father might be richard but have no proof
sj

I would suggest the second forename of Sefton may well give a clue as to who his father is. A potential problem is that all Mary Ann's children may have different fathers.

[philandsj]

In 1867 there's a john sephten haselden born in warrington, which seems to fit in with the younger brother john on my tree so the clue to the father being father being sefton might be true. i don't quite understand how she could have had so many children unmarried though!

[MaryA]

I think it would benefit you to check the Parish records, if she did apply for relief she may well have been told that she needed to claim money from the children's father and so a Bastardy Bond might have been issued naming him.

[philandsj]

hi marya
could you point me in the right direction to where i might find these records?

many thanks
sj

[dickiesam]

i don't quite understand how she could have had so many children unmarried though!

It could be that she was living 'over the brush' with a man already married, possibly with every intent of marrying him when his then current wife died. There was in reality no divorce available to the working class back then. Her common-law husband may have died before 1871 leaving her with a sizeable family. It is possible she even adopted his surname causing confusion for us later!

As examples, my paternal g.g.father married my g.g.mother in 1886, 22 years after my g.father was born, because he was already married and his first wife, who he had married in 1854, died in 1885. They were RC so divorce was even more 'impossible'. My maternal g.father married my nan in 1925, 13 years after my mother was born because his first wife, who had deserted her family, died in 1924. They were C of E.

If my g.g.father had died before 1886, my g.g.mother would have been left with 7 children. They were both from Ireland and 6 of the children were born there. Could have been a case of next-stop-workhouse.

[MaryA]

From my memory I believe the records for Warrington were moved from one place to another, possibly to the major library in Warrington, but as I am unsure I have sent a message to the Chairman of the Warrington Group asking him if he can answer this query. Also I'm wondering if there are any records that would give details of their admission to the Workhouse.

I agree with DS, the couple were likely more or less living together but perhaps he already had a wife. A middle name is often a clue to this.

[philandsj]

Thanks to the info above from Marya I have found a third baptism. This is for Mary Alice haslingden, daughter of Mary Ann haslingden and living at 43 king street. In 1861 census there is a family hazleder living at 43 king street - Richard 52, Mary 54, Alice 25 and Kate 16. I couldn't find them under the surname though and had to trawl through all the district until I found them! In 1841 again at kings street I found hazleder Richard, Mary, Alice and Mary. I can't find anything for 1851. I have also found a baptism for Catherine hazleden child of Richard and Mary in 1845 so that must be Kate and another for Mary ann hazledean child of Richard and Mary in 1838 in king street. So everything seems to fit but it might have nothing to do with my family!

[Lee Layland]

Give the library a ring - the staff are very helpful, and would know where the records are kept.

They may be kept at the Cheshire Archives (?) but as I say the staff at the library will help.

01925 442889.

Hope this helps.

[philandsj]

thanks everyone for your help so far! i will give the library a call and see what that brings. i have found richard haselden in 1851 in kings street with mary ann and kate as daughters but no alice and wife is elizabeth! so i'm even more confused!

[MaryA]

Having spoken with the library on another matter I asked about the availability of records, unfortunately the person who specialises in family history wasn't available to speak with me but the lady who did believes that there are a lot of records held at Warrington Library. Hope you get lucky.

[philandsj]

Again thanks everyone! i have emailed the library so i'll wait and see if they can help. would still like to track any workhouse or bastardy bonds if i can but nit having much luck!

sj