Missing Hazlehursts

[Barbara B]

Hoping for a bit of luck with some missing Hazlehursts.
Emily Hazlehurst née Sedman, born 1844 in Scarborough, married James Hazlehurst who died in Liverpool in 1887. Emily then disappears completely. I can't find a remarrige or a death. Her daughter, also Emily married Robert Williams in 1887 (just in case someone comes across this marriage).
The other missing Hazlehursts are Effie, born Liverpool 1879 and Percy, born Liverpool 1885. I have found a Percy on Anc** who died in Melbourne, Australia in 1955.His wife was Ethel Margaret Sullivan. I know one of the Hazlehursts did go to Australia and I wondered if his mother and sister went as well. Any ideas anyone?
Thanks in advance
Barbara

[MaryA]

For the benefit of anybody assisting I will give the details from the 1881 census to save them looking it up
39 Voelas Street, Toxteth Park
James Hazlehurst Head M 37 Steamship Wharfinger Liverpool, Lancashire
Emily Wife M 37 Scarborough, Yorkshire
Emily daur Unm 16 Liverpool, Lancashire
Minnie daur 13 Scholar Toxteth Park, Liverpool
Arthur son 4 " " "
Effie daur 2 " "
Ambrose son 11 months " "
RG11; Piece: 3646; Folio: 59; Page: 36

[MaryA]

You may rule it out almost definitely because of the date, but there is a passenger list for the Osterley leaving London for Australia on 25 November, 1910, listed are
Mrs Hazlehurst, housewife, single or unaccompanied by husband
Ivy single or unaccompanied by husband
Emily between 1-12
and William infant.

(Effie = Ivy?) or do you know Effie's full name?

[dickiesam]

(Effie = Ivy?) or do you know Effie's full name?

HAZLEHURST, Effie
Registration district: West Derby
Year/qtr of registration: 1878 / Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 256.

HAZLEHURST, Minnie
Registration district: West Derby
Year of registration: 1868 / Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 263.

[Hilary]

There are christening for these children on Ancestry
Emily 1864
Minnie 1868
Ada 1869
Agnes 1871
Dora 1875
Effie 1878
Ambrose 1880
Edith 1881
Percy 1884

The Toxteth park Cemetery database shows James' burial on 15 Nov 1887

It also records the burials of Edith from 39 Voelas Street

[dickiesam]

In the absence of a marriage/death for the mother Emily, and deaths for Effie and Percy, before the 1891 census I have to think they emigrated or moved from England/Wales shortly after the father died. And no marriages for these two either...

I think 'arrivals' in Australia is the next step, from the Dec qtr of 1887 when the father James died. Perhaps there were already family out there at that stage? Their names are not in the Passenger Lists starting in 1890. I am wondering if the Irvy [aged over 12] leaving for Brisbane in 1910 with Mrs Emily Hazlehurst, and children under 12 William and Emily, is actually Effie? Did they come 'home' and are going out again?

[kenneth]

Public Records Office Victoria Index Melbourne shows -

Arrived Melbourne Apr 1889 on the "Orient"
Ambrose 8 yrs
Arthur 11 yrs
E Mrs 45 yrs
Effie 10 yrs
Percy 4 yrs

This could be them, hope it helps

[kenneth]

"Argus" newspaper 29/6/1955 (NLA digitised newspapers)

Death of Percy 28/6/1955 aged 70 yrs at 2 Gooch Street East Prahran Melbourne

Looks good

[Barbara B]

Kenneth you are a genius! I'm sure that's got to be them. There can't be two families with children of those names surely. I knew Ambrose went to Australia and eventually married but it's only just occured that he hadn't gone by himself.
Thanks to everyone for all the input. Another little brick out of the wall. Next question - how do I find out what happened to them all in Oz?
Many thanks
Barbara

[dickiesam]

Barb and Kenneth! Great find... It has to be the family. Where were they heading though? Surely a relative was waiting for them? Otherwise a tremendous risky trip to take with very young children.

[MaryA]

Well done, great finds! and I feel sure the trip in 1910 was them returning again, possibly after a holiday? They may have been home to visit family, pity we can't find them on incoming lists also.

[Hilary]

There's an Ambrose Hazelhurst marrying on the Australia Marriage Index on Ancestry and also a possible death in 1938 on the Australian Death Index.

[Barbara B]

I found Ambrose's marriage via GR - he married Clara Sophie Trewethy in 1921. There were no children as I think they were both in their forties. I know Percy married from Anc** - maybe there were children. Is there a way to find out? I'm all excited now!
Barbara
PS Does anyone think the children in the 1910 trip could be Emily's grandchildren?

[MaryA]

Does anyone think the children in the 1910 trip could be Emily's grandchildren?

I think that would be a reasonable assumption, it's just proving whose children they were.

[Barbara B]

I've made slight progress with Percy. He appears to have had a daughter in 1912, named Ethel Margaret for her mother and born in Footscray, Victoria. This daughter married someone called Johns - no first name and no date. All info from world tree Anc**
Well it's a start but still don't know who Emily brought to England around 1910, if it was her. What a pity she didn't wait a year, she might have been on a census. No consideration these ancestors!
Barbara

[kenneth]

"Argus" Melbourne newspaper 7/11/1942 Births

Johns - ( Nee Ethel Hazlehurst ) Nov 3 Daughter Glenys Margeret

Ethel is mentioned in the later death notice. Anc**** has some Australian records eg electoral roles and directories if you have a subscription. Hope this helps

[Tina]

1914 Electoral Rolls
Ethel Margaret home duties
Percy labourer
Ardmona (the brand name for canned fruit!)
Mooroopna, Northern Victoria
(Shepparton Valley where the orchards are)
1919 and 1924 Percy is an orchardist in the same district
at Kyabram with Ethel.
By 1936 they are at 2 Gooch St Fawkner Armadale Vic
Percy has no occupation, Ethel home duties & Ethel Margaret junior a cutter.
Ditto 1949 no daughter Percy & Ethel both home duties.
Ditto 1954

[Tina]

Death 1971 aged 59yrs
Ethel Margaret Johns father listed as Per Hazlehurst
Mother Ethel Marga Sullivan
Edit?? Victoria
1949 Ethel with Rupert Stanley Johns salesman
201 Station St Flinders Vic
Ditto 1954
On her own in 1963 & 1968

[dickiesam]

Hi Tina!
Great finds! Working the night shift again?

[Tina]

Marriage for Effie to Charles Thatcher Hillas
1901 Victoria
Looks like Chas T died aged 90yrs in 1963
sadly in 1921 Balwyn Vic
death of Charles Joseph Hillas aged 17yrs
mother Effie Hazelhurst as spelt.
1903 10 Gladstone Ave Malvern
Charles compositor, Effie H.D
I won't list all the rolls, they were together in 1949 Hurstbridge Deakin.
Ditto Chas in 1954, no Effie.
Death for Effie aged 71yrs 1949 d/o Jas Hazlehurst & Emily Sedman.