Thomas Fearns and Catherine Fearns. Whats her name?

[MaryA]

Yes LancsBMD confirms the marriage of William Baker to Margaret Hannah/Hegan at Liverpool St Peter.

[curveycat1]

Hello Mary A
Hope you dont mind me asking, but have you managed to get down to the Liverpool records office to check out my Thomas Ferns and Catherine McGaa marriage cert, to see what name is entered on thier certificate.
I don't mean to rush you.
I'll await for your reply.
Thanks Maxine

[MaryA]

Oh heck, I can only apologise, I knew there was one in the back of my mind that I should have been looking for but couldn't find the posting, I was relying on responses t omy post when I offered look ups and hoping people would have replied to that.

I'll see if I can find someone to help.

[curveycat1]

Hello Mary A again
Sorry to be a pain, but where do I look for your postings or other peoples postings in the future.
I'm still trying to get use to where everything is on this site.
I awaqit to hear from you.
Maxine

[MaryA]

Have you enabled notifications for you posts in your profile? If so whenever anybody replies to this post you will get email notification with a link that will bring you straight to it.

I think you do have them enabled, make sure you have an email address in your profile that you log into regularly, some people may use a hotmail address or something similar fearing they might get a lot of spam after registering with a forum, but means that they don't know when somebody has posted a reply.

[42aitch]

Hi Maxine

Went on the site this morning and found that you still wanted the parish register marriage and I was slippping into the record office today so noted it down. EUREKA!!!! Catherine signed it Daley which was then crossed out and McGaa written above. Father John Daley the Daley was also crossed out. So it is one and the same person so the births you have are all hers. Took a photo but it is not very clear but you can see the alterations clear enough. Hope that settles things for you.



Eileen

[dickiesam]

Well done 4aitch! Very kind of you. Noted also that Catherine's father's name was also changed from Daley to McGaa. Wonder what the story is there?

[simone]

Nice one Eileen

[curveycat1]

Hi Eileen
Thanks so much for the marriage cert.
It makes me wonder why Daley was crossed out.
Something else to look into.
so thanks again from Maxine

[MaryA]

Thank you Eileen, you saved my bacon and embarrassment

I think there must be a story behind the name change.

[peterf]

mmmm, how about "McGiveron" ???

[peterf]

Regards

P Fearns

computercrashman at gmail.com

[peterf]

The other surname (from 1st scan) I suppose is "Gannon"

Both familiar family names to me

[curveycat1]

Hello peterf
I saw you mention the name Gannon.
I have Catherine Gannon married to Thomas Fearns. They married in 1881. He is Thomas and Catherine's son.
I shall look into the name McGiveron as you sujested. The only name that comes up is Mc Gee. But I think this is a different family all together.
I'm still trying the Daly side, but not getting very far.
thanks Maxine

[MaryA]

Katie also took a photocopy which I will scan and upload and see if it is any clearer. I wonder if th name is McGad?

[dickiesam]

Hi Eileen
Thanks so much for the marriage cert.
It makes me wonder why Daley was crossed out.
Something else to look into.
so thanks again from Maxine

Just meandering... surmising....
What if Catherine's father John was born a McGaa but was brought up as a Daley? If his parents were never married he should have retained his mother's maiden name McGaa. Adoption did not exist so that rules out that as a name change reason. If he married as a Daley he married under an assumed name without legal authority. While a technicality was still illegal. His children, while probably registered as Daley, were in fact McGaa.

For a change to be made to the register there should be a note by the registrar, usually at the extreme right, to explain the change with a date. I have two certs were similar changes were made, one a death cert where a woman's death was informed by her partner to whom she was not married, she was still married to my g.father when she died, but the given surname was that of her partner. She was also described as the 'spouse' of the partner. the 'errors' were corrected about 12 months later.

On another tack, if you search the 1861 for the surname McGaa, no YoB, you get 21 hits all in Scotland. These include 2 Johns, possibly father and son:
MCGAA, John - 1801 - 60 - Whithorn, Wigtownshire, Scotland.
MCGAA, John - 1836 - 25 - Whithorn, Wigtownshire, Scotland.

In 1871 there are 8 hits, 4 of them in England. In 1881 there are only 3 hits and 2 are in England.

[curveycat1]

Dickiesam
Love you loads. This McGaa/Daley name is a sure problem.
I will check out the Scottish records you mentioned.
thanks Maxine

[curveycat1]

Ps
Is Mc Gaa a Scttish or an Irish name.
Just to put a spanner in the works
the baptism for the Thomas Fearns 4 Feb 1834. Father John (Joannis) Fearns mother is Elizabetha Fearns nee Leopard. God parents Thomas Henry and Ann Daly.
The son Thomas Ferns born 23 Aug 1856, says father - Thomas Ferns, and mothers maiden name is Catherine Mc Gathern
Daughter Margaret born 6 Oct 1858, says father - Thomas Fearns, mothers maiden name is Catherine Mc Gawan. both kids born at Banastre Street. These 2 birth cert are copies, so whether Catherines maiden name has been copied down wrong I'm not sure.
Is there a way to check the originals to see the correct spelling for Catherine.
from Maxine

[MaryA]

There are two places to get a birth certificate - one is from the GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ using the reference from from the indexes, (either FreeBMD or one of the subscription sites or a Record Office has these) and the other from the local Register Office http://liverpool.gov.uk/births-marriage ... tificates/

Have you found the parents signature anywhere else or do you think they might have been illiterate? With a name like that and the spellings it would seem very likely an Irish (or maybe Scottish) accent has been interpreted by whoever was writing the entry in the register and perhaps if it was not able to be checked then the best guess is the best hope.

Just an example, a great uncle of mine went to America where he was asked his name, Parle in an Irish accent, was interpreted and written down as "Pearl" and that was how that branch of the family was known ever since.

[dickiesam]

The name McGaa in Ireland.....
There are none in the 1910 Irish census. According to Family search there were 3 births of a McGah (!) in Ireland between 1864 and 1900. All were recorded in the 1930 US Census and were born in the 1870s. There was also a MGa (?) bn abt 1870.

I reckon they were all the same family but the forename has been somewhat 'confused' on entry to the US because the births are not in the Irish GRO. Whereas the forename is definitely coming up in Scots births.