William George Henderson

[Mickyblue]

Hi,
Can't find Florence either, it's worth noting that WG named one of his daughters Florence and one Mary so it is possible she is family.
Been going round in circles so often I'm dizzy!
Can you clarify a point for me. You have Martha's dad as Joseph, yet the LDS site names him Adam Proctor? Am I right in thinking that the our George Henderson m. to Martha Proctor is the one on the LDS site b. on board ship in the Bay of Biscay or is this a completly different family with the same names?

[colette]

Hi


Bride
Martha Proctor
parents:
Joseph Procter

Groom name:
George Henderson
Father James Henderson

Marriage
event date:
19 Feb 1866

event place:
Wallasey, Cheshire, England



digital folder number:

4018527


Was thinking maybe little Florence was just missed of the 1871 census, there are tons of mistakes arent there..

[colette]

Me again

1861 Census Dundas St Bootle
Joseph Proctor age 61 b Alstanfield Staffs
Martha age 63 b Alstanfield
Martha age 24 b Alstanfield
Grandson John age 4 b Bootle

John was Marthas son not George's, she must have met him in that area dont know how they ended up in Seacombe

1871 Mum Martha visiting daughter Charlotte Nightingale in Preston Dad Joseph working in Yorkshire

1851 they are in Tintwistle Cheshire

Joseph Proctor Mason
Martha
Thomas
James
Mary
Martha
Charlotte
Soloman

theres a few Masons on same page so must be building something there..the Proctors got about didn't they

Where did you see Bay of Biscay, he says born Scotland on the 1871

[Mickyblue]

This is the link to the family search site
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/ ... rompage=99

I hope it opens for you but if not this is the info.
Husband's Name George HENDERSON (AFN:49MR-NB) Pedigree Born: Abt. 1836 Place: <At Sea, In Bay Of Biscay> Died: 16 Nov 41) (Age Place: Screw Steamer, Saragossa Buried: Place: At Sea, In Bay Of Biscay Married: 19 Feb 18 Place: Wallasy Parish Church, Chester, British Isles Father: James HENDERSON (AFN:CLXB-T6) Family Mother:
________________________________________
Wife's Name Martha PROCTOR (AFN:49MR-PH) Pedigree Born: Abt. 1838 Place: <Wallasy Parish Church, Chester, British Isles> Died: (Age 69) 1906 Sep 30 Place: Buried: 3 Oct 1906 Place: Karkdale Cemetery, K Liverpool, Eng. Married: 19 Feb 18 Place: Wallasy Parish Church, Chester, British Isles Father: Adam PROCTOR (AFN:49MR-WJ) Family Mother:

Then it list all their children George, Joseph, James and Jessie Ann and goes on to list Jessie's marriage to Edward Malley and their children.

[colette]

Its saying Dad James born at sea Bay of Biscay, George born at sea Bay of Biscay and George death at sea Bay Of Biscay..sounds a mad to me says died 41 what does that mean 1841

sometimes these sources are wrong, even Marthas dad is wrong so i wouldn't believe all of it..

I just found a George Henderson born 1831 Glasgow Scotland on the 1851 census hes 21 and a Mariner lodging at 98 Hill St Toxteth, 1861 no luck so proberbly at sea

xx

[colette]

There was a ship named the Saragossa..

http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=sarag

it was built in Glasgow 1874..Cunard Line

[Mickyblue]

How interesting, what a find. Well if it was launched in 1874 then he most certainly was not born on it, or anyone I expect. But it is interesting that it was on a Mediterranean route, that may well include the Bay of Biscay and as we don't have a death record for G.H. he could have died on board and been buried at sea, maybe!!!

Thanks to all the help we have received I think we are finally dotting all the I's and crossing the T's. I feel confident we can complete the family tree, with the exception of Florence Mary.

X X MickyBlue

[colette]

Hi this site has deaths at sea theres a few George Hendersons but its a pay per view site


http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/bmdr/resu ... set=1&st=s

[Mickyblue]

Thank you for that link. I did buy some credits and selected the most likely dates. Of the ones I selected none fitted our G.H. Either the seaman was too young or their place of birth was not consitent with our records. Tempting to try them all but costly!!

XX Mickyblue

[colette]

Oh well you give it a go


xx

[Mickyblue]

Hi

I would take a punt and get Florence Marys birth cert it may hold all the answers you are looking for..also i would contact the Mersey Seamans Orphan Instituation..

http://www.rlsoi-uk.org/RLSOI/Archives.html

I think we have all run out of ideas, there seems to be no trace of Florence in 1871, although she could use Mary..and William wasnt born till after this census so 1891 is the next stop to trace him and again he could use the name George..he would have to be in the Kirkdale/Walton area c 1890s to meet Elizabeth..so would concentrate looking in those areas in 1891, wondered why Mrs Henderson was listed as head of the house in 1900 Directory 20 Sandon Road and not William..

It is sometime since I last posted a reply. I have just received the birth certificate for Florence Mary Henderson. Her parents were David Henderson and Mary (nee Baird) whereas William George's parents were George Henderson and Martha (nee Proctor)
So either George & Florence Mary were Cousins or it was simply a coincidence that two Hendersons were in the Seaman's Orphanage at the same time. If anyone is able to find information to show that George Henderson b. 1831 and David Henderson b.?were brothers that would settle it I think. All help gratefully received, thank you for all the help in the past.
MickyBlue

[colette]

Hi

Glad you have sorted out Florence Mary..so she belongs to a David and Mary..does it give an address where she was born and Davids occupation ???
I thik its just a coinsidence she was at the Home the same time..her dad must have been a Seafarer and maybe died too.

xx

[Mickyblue]

Hi,
Florence Mary Alexandra Henderson was born at 8 Globe street, Kirkdale Liverpool. Her Father was a 'Mate of a ship'. Florence and Mary are names that run through our family tree, she also had a sibling named Lillian. Two of my late husbands Aunts were Florence & Lillian and his mother's name was Mary so I am still hoping to find that David Henderson and George Henderson were brothers. If David was born in Glasgow then there is even more chance they were related. More research to be done on that.

Regards

MickyBlue

[colette]

Hiya

David Henderson was born in Troon Ayrshire in 1834 his parents were David & Isabella..

He married Mary Baird in Tradeston Glasgow in 1863, baptisms for two children David bap 1865 Govan & Isabella Bap 1867 Tradeston.

1871 census Ayr St Troon Ayrshire
David Henderson Plasterer b Troon 1801
Isabella b Troon 1811
Son John b Troon 1835
Son Robert b Troon 1845
Grandchildren
David age 6
Lillian age 3
Florence age 1
all born England

Go back to the 1851 you see Son David at home a Ships Carpenter..

By 1881 little Florence in Home not sure where other two kids are..anyway these are not related to yours..just coinsidence....

xx

[Mickyblue]

Thank you for that info on David Henderson and family, as you say it confirms that little Florence being in the same home is a coincidence.

Your research has been a great help.


Regards.


MickyBlue