Hannah Oates (nee Sheard)

[BurscoughLad]

I am looking for a marriage for Hannah Sheard to a *?* Oates.
The 1851 census shows her living with her parents in German, IOM as a widow and with a 3 year old son.
Problem is, I have no idea whether she married on the island or not.
She was born ca 1828 in Douglas.

Any ideas/suggestions of how/where I might investigate this, would be greatly appreciated.

Another puzzlement on the same entry is her father (aged56) is listed as a "Chelsea Pensioner", but he is living with his wife and family on the Isle Of Man!!!
How so?? - one wonders.
1851 as before the Crimea and long after the Napoleonic War!!!!

NB The name Sheard has been mis-transcribed as "Shean" on the record

[BurscoughLad]

Forgot to mention - - the grandson was born in England

[MaryA]

I don't see a marriage in England for Hannah Sheard, so perhaps they married in the Isle of Man. Blue has collected a few hints about researching BMD's in the Isle of Man, which you can see here http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... man#p81656 I hope they will be of use.

Have you traced young John (b 1848 ish) forward through the censuses in the hope that he is more specific as to where he was born?

[BurscoughLad]

Hi Mary,

Thanks for the guidance.
No, I haven't. I only started looking at this earlier today because the weather was really really 'orrible!!

Then came up with these two points and thought, "Chelsea Pensioner in the IOM?
and no idea of how to find a marriage without Lancs BMD or OPC.

I guess your suggestion on an older John Oates is def worth progressing

Thx again

[MaryA]

Sorry I don't have an answer as to why he is a Chelsea Pensioner, however, you might have some luck if you searched the National Archives for his name.

If there was any chance of finding where John was born, his birth certificate might be easier to obtain by asking the GRO for it only if his mother was Hannah Sheard, however, to do that just based on a year would be unreasonable because of the number of John Oates there are.

[daggers]

I think that at one time all army pensioners were listed as Chelsea pensioners, apart from those retired to Ireland. They did not all live at the Royal Hospital, Chelsea, which would have become greatly overcrowded. The difference was between in-pensioners, ie resident, and out-pensioners.
D

[dickiesam]

To answer part of your query BurscoughLad.....

There are 3 John Sheards listed as in receipt of an Army/Militia pension for which the Royal Chelsea Hospital was the administrator. They could have seen service anywhere in the then extensive British Empire.
SHEARD, John - YoB 1794 - bn Ovendon, Yorkshire - served in 34th Foot.
SHEARD, John - YoB 1796 - bn Whipsey, Yorkshire - served in 54th or West Norfolk Regiment Of Foot.
SHEARD, John - nk - bn Bradford, Yorkshire - served in 5th Royal Regiment Of Veterans.

There are 2 marriages from 1837 to 1848 where a female Sheard possibly married an Oates, both in Yorkshire, and the g.son John was born in England. Was Hannah a Sarah as well?

SHEARD, Sarah - Yorkshire, Dewsbury - 1841.
SHEARD, Sarah - Yorkshire, Ecclesall Bierlow - 1845.

These are John Oates [incl variations] bn 1848 in England:
OATS, John - Yorkshire, Rotherham - 1848.
OATES, John - Yorkshire, Wortley - 1848.
OATES, John Andrew - Hampshire, Fordingbridge - 1848.
OATES, John Henry - Yorkshire, Ecclesall Bierlow - 1848.

[BurscoughLad]

Hi Folks,

Thx to all three of you for input

Daggers, the resident and out pensioner makes sound sense.
Another bit of digging for the future there to see in which campaign(s) John Sheard might have been involved. His birth date is ca 1795, so the Napoleonic campaign is not out of the question.

DS, John's wife was a Sarah (bn 1798), so it is quite possible that there would be a daughter &/or granddaughter named Sarah.

Obviously, I've opened a new can of worms just because it was raining cats n dogs this morning. The digging might need a JCB rather than a spade!!!

Thank you all for your interest.

[dickiesam]

Another bit of digging for the future there to see in which campaign(s) John Sheard might have been involved. His birth date is ca 1795, so the Napoleonic campaign is not out of the question.

Hi,
Curiosity! Did a bit of digging re the first John Sheard on that list. Born in Ovenden, Yorkshire, abt 1794, he enlisted in 1812 and saw service in Spain and France in 1813 and 1814. That was probably during the Peninsular War. Was involved in several major battles. He served over 5 years in North America at some stage.

Must have been a well respected soldier because he got promotion through the ranks. Eventually promoted to Sergeant in 1817 when he was discharged. He appears to have 'bought himself out' having paid the sum of £20! He re-enlisted in 1820 and again rose through the ranks, this time to Sergeant Major in 1826, his rank at discharge at his own request in 1835. His civilian trade was a weaver. Unfortunately, there's no mention of next-of-kin or a marriage.

Very little on the other two names.

[BurscoughLad]

DS,

Thank you!!

I think there is a reference to a weaver, somewhere in the tree, but I'm not absolutely sure that it was him.

Will let you know; prob on Thursday as I am out tomorrow and busy Wednesday.

[MaryA]

Good bit of digging DS, that'll add a bit of meat on the bones