Edward Alderman Bailey DILLON

[simone]

1881 census.. take it this is the couple you think are parents
RG11; Piece: 4015; Folio: 13; Page: 19
living in Bradford
Edward Dillon 48 foreman in chemical works, b Manchester
Sarah A. Dillon 44 b Manchester

1891
Sarah a widow in Manchester

going back to the Dillon's.. I wonder if this is them before Edward has risen to position of Foreman in the chemical factory
1871 census at Gorton/Chorlton, 160 Thomas? Street
RG10; Piece: 3981; Folio: 54; Page: 53
Edward Dillow 39 b Ireland on this census furnaceman Ironworks
Sarah A Dillow 34 b Manchester

hmmm Lancs OPC

Baptisms: 17 May 1865 St Mark, Gorton, Lancashire, England
Edward Dillon - Child of Edward Dillon & Sarah Ann
Abode: Manchester
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Richard Tomlins
Register: Baptisms 1862 - 1870, Page 37, Entry 296
Source: LDS Film 2113173

[simone]

Can't find a marriage for this couple

there's a birth reg Dec q 1864 at Manchester for Edward Dillon 8d 153

[dickiesam]

Can't find a marriage for this couple

there's a birth reg Dec q 1864 at Manchester for Edward Dillon 8d 153

Couldn't find that Edward in 1871, then found this:
Deaths Jun 1868: Dillon, Edward - 3 - Manchester - 8d - 252

I am wondering if this child was to our parents Edward and Sarah? And they were given the chance of raising another child as their own? Certainly adds to the story.

[simone]

ahh good find.. I was wondering if there would be a death....and yes I think the offer of another child would be good in our novel

seriously though, there may still be a clue out there somewhere..witnesse on a marriage somewhere maybe
there are certainly plenty of birth's reg with christian name Edward, or just 'male' in the right area

[simone]

aha 1861 Edward Dillon is possibly in Widnes

RG 9; Piece: 2743; Folio: 22; Page: 45
Edward Dillon 30, b Ireland Cl.? in Chemical works
boarder with Carry family..

maybe job in Manchester paid more by 1871 by 1881 back in Chemical industry but as foreman

[dickiesam]

From Simone:

going back to the Dillon's.. I wonder if this is them before Edward has risen to position of Foreman in the chemical factory
1871 census at Gorton/Chorlton, 160 Thomas? Street
RG10; Piece: 3981; Folio: 54; Page: 53
Edward Dillow 39 b Ireland on this census furnaceman Ironworks
Sarah A Dillow 34 b Manchester

I wonder...
Marriage: DILLOW, Edward
Registration district: Stourbridge, Worcestershire
Year/qtr of registration: 1868 / Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume no: 6C; Page no: 273.
Edward Dillow married married either MASON, Sarah or SOUTHALL, Sarah Ann.

[MaryA]

Familysearch site confirms that marriage is to Sarah Ann Southall, although it also spells the surname Dillow
29 Nov 1868 Marriage place: Old Swinford,Worcester,England (St Mary)

Sorry no fathers names given on Familysearch.

[simone]

1861 has Edward Dillow Furnaceman in Worcestershire age 26, says he's born Staffordshire though but could mistake as he is living with Aunt Elizabeth Dillow
RG 9; Piece: 2076; Folio: 74; Page: 24

can't see a Sarah Ann Southall born Manchester living in Worcestershire in 1861 that fits... but other possibilities and she may not have gone there until later

so looks like not our couple in 1871 then... oh well you can't win them all

still think our novel looks good though

Simone x

[domingo 106]

Thanks to everyone for all your help. Certainly have given me some lines of enquiry to follow up.
I tend to follow the idea of my great grandfather comes from Manchester, I believe the census entry of 1901 for Charlton, Kent is a clerical error, i believe it to be Chorlton, Manchester. I want to follow up the 1881 census for Bradford in Manchester and see if there are employment records for the local chemical factory as I hope that will reveal more about Edward Alderman Bailey Dillon's father and hopefully himself. The 1865 birth is of interest with the correct names even if the dates do not correspond as I also am suspicous about the marriage certificate entries. The 1911 census entry intrigues me as to why the top line is left blank, his wife still shows as married but two children are living with the mother and two children are living with the grandmother in the same street 58 and 63 Lyell Street, Everton.

[simone]

Hi

what did you think of the photo of Alderman Bailey, any resemblances anywhere?

I think the 1861 entry for Edward Dillon in Widnes, clerk in Chemical works may well be him if by 1881 he is a foreman in chemical works..

The only thing about the 1865 baptism is that Edward is a labourer, but not impossible I suppose if he has moved on to another factory and looking to work up to foreman... I believe labouring could often pay more than a clerk......my own grandfather stuck to labouring after the war rather that go back to a solicitors, mainly because of the pay....

funny how we can't pinpoint them in the 1871 census at about the time of Edwards birth are they hiding somewhere

btw don't the n's on marriage cert look like w's, but then I did find Edward Dillow on another census anyway

but anyway..I think Edward using Alderman Bailey on the marraige, and there actually being an Alderman Bailey right time/right place could speak volumes Alderman Bailey looks to have died in 1913. The other option of course is that he simply admired the man so decided to use the names, but seems a bit random, to suddenly use it at marrige, unless just trying to impress wife's family.... maybe Alderman Bailey was good to the Dillon family...

Alderman Bailey was also Lord Mayor for time... there has to be more archives on him and his family... and as you say maybe even employment records..

Good Luck... keep us posted

Simone x

[dickiesam]

RE:

going back to the Dillon's.. I wonder if this is them before Edward has risen to position of Foreman in the chemical factory
1871 census at Gorton/Chorlton, 160 Thomas? Street
RG10; Piece: 3981; Folio: 54; Page: 53
Edward Dillow 39 b Ireland on this census furnaceman Ironworks
Sarah A Dillow 34 b Manchester

The name is definitely Dillon and is transcribed as such by Findmypast. But what is Sarah's occupation? I see 'Power Ironer ?????'. Thought it was Power Ironer Steamer, but have me doubts.

[MaryA]

Power Loom Weaver

[dickiesam]

Power Loom Weaver

Thank you MaryA. Now you say it, it glares out at me! I can only say...

Altogether now....

My eyes are dim, I cannot see...
I have not brought my specs with me, I have not bought my specs with me...

At least not the right specs!

[simone]

Hi 'tis I again may have a clue here to the Dillon family

can't find Edward on the 1871 so thought has he gone home to Ireland for a spell which set me thinking about other possible Dillon family from Ireland.. found this..

1881 census

living at Bury
Leamans Hill
RG11; Piece: 3851; Folio: 61; Page: 7

Michael Dillon 54 b Galway Co, Ireland, Labourer At Chemical Works
Ellen Dillon 36 b Ireland
Thos Dillon 16
Michael Dillon 14
Mary Dillon 18
Bridget Dillon 10
5 boarders in the house all from Ireland

all of the children are born Ireland, so family have arrived here between 1871 and 1881
if Edward has gone to Ireland, has he brought them back with him and got Michael a job in the Chemical works.. could they be brothers?

1891

still Bury -Slattocks.. can't make out street, Back? something
RG12; Piece: 3135; Folio: 37; Page: 27
Michael Dillon 74 b Ireland general labourer
Ellen Dillon 60
John Dillon 2

quite an age difference though so not sure same people?

There is another Ellen Dillon at Bradford in 1891 but she is 67, so even older...

just a thought... perhops Michael someone to bear in mind when looking at employment records

Simone x

[simone]

http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/W._H._Bailey_and_Co