Joseph William Smith of Widnes.

[cathy k]

I am looking for info for Joseph William Smith born in Staffordshire 1868.

in the 1901 census he was married to a Leah and had children; Mary-anne (Polly) Fred Leah and May other children followed. They lived in 14 Appleton village.

[MaryA]

For the benefit of anybody wishing to assist, these are the details from the 1901 census as ages and birthplaces are very important

14 Appleton Village, Widnes, Lancashire
Joseph Smith Head M 33 Widnes Corporation Carter Eccleshall Staffordshire
Leah Wife M 32 Prees, Shropshire
Mary A daur 6 Widnes
Fred son 5 "
Leah daur 4 "
May daur 2 "
RG13; Piece: 3513; Folio: 32; Page: 8.

In case you don't have the marriage for Joseph and Leah, although there are four entries between 1891 and 1899, the one I would suspect is yours would be Joseph Smith to Leah Chidlow Q4 1892 Wem 6a 1437, Wem being in Shropshire.

Unfortunately there are two births for Leah Smith in the Prescot district, who I thought would be the least common name.

Q3 1893 Prescot 8b 778 and
Q1 1897 Prescot 8b 713

If you apply for the birth certificate you should stipulate that the parents should be Joseph and Leah and this should give you Leah's maiden surname.

[cathy k]

Thankyou this is very helpful. I am using my aunties log in so that I can ask, I am doing my family tree for my nan thanks its very helpful!

[Tina]

Hi
Not sure if this is of any help
between 1910 & 1912 there is a Leah Smith bn 1897
Prescot rego area.

Looking at people living with her, I don't think she is
your Leah.
Sorry not to be of much help.

Tina
there's a Fred living in Prescot aged 15 yrs.
Perhaps it would pay you to look at this census??

[chris leigh]

Hi Cathy
The Widnes Cemetary Records show the elder Leah died age 38 on 20 dec. 1906 at 12 South St. and was buried 23 dec. in grave no. 3818 sec 10c. also in same grave was John Smith 2mth. died 28 aug 1906 same address buried 1 sep. Joseph Smith 5wk 27 nov 1899 Farnworth. Buried 1 dec from Upton Rocks. Also Margaret Smith died 3mth on 31 jul 1902 14 Appleton Village buried 2 Aug.
A Joseph Smith died age 76 on 11 Aug 1943 at 2 South St. Buried 14Aug Gr. No. 4309 sec 12c.
Lastly a Fred Smith 20 mth die 19 Mar 1929 12 South Lane buried 22 Mar grave no 3452 sec 9c.
Hope this is some help
Cheers.

[garstonite]

Hiya ...on www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
the 1893 Leah Smith is born St Helens
the 1897 Leah Smith is born Widnes
allan

[cathy k]

Thankyou to you all for replying.
We have gathered some information but are going to have to get birth certificates

Thanks

[Englandphil]

Thankyou to you all for replying.
We have gathered some information but are going to have to get birth certificates

Thanks

About 1910/1912 there is an additional son, Frank, aged 17 born Prees Shrops.

Strange he is not on the 1901 as he would only have been 7

P

It also lists a William Smith, aged 5 months as a son, strange given that the wife appears to have died in 1906.

[Tina]

Hi P
Regarding Frank Smith listed between 1910 & 1912
I have found one aged 7 yrs in 1901 bn Prees, grandson living with
Joseph Chidlow baker 67 & Ann 69, living in Prees Green.

1881 census Joseph Chidlow 47, Ann 49
Leah Chidlow 12
John 10 son, Thomas 10 grandson.
Mill St Prees.

See Mary's post 24 Aug re marriage in Wem


Tina

[Tina]

Me again

1871 Joseph Chidlow 37 groom bn Market Drayton
Ann 39, Leah 2, John 3 mnths both born Prees, Thomas 9 mnths bn Wem
grandson.
Shrewsbury St Prees.

T.S

btw Leah's baptism in IGI 1869.

[hatton65]

This is my family and I am reserching them at the moment, I would love to know if anyone has any more information on them. Leah and Joseph were my great grand parents on my mums side, I am willing to give anyone any infor they want that I know about.

I think (my presumtion only) that William and John were twins, if they were born in june of that year, John died at 2 months old on the 28 August 1906.

I am trying to research what happened to the other children and looking into the parents of Leah and Joseph too. I will know shortly about leah as I have ordered a birth cert. for Leah Chidlow of which I am certain was her maiden name.

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

Cathy posted on the messageboard as recently as January this year, so I hope that she will receive notification that you have posted on here and pop in to make contact with you.

If there is anything specific that we can help you with please ask.

[Tina]

Just great you have found our forum Hatton.
I'm sure you will be of help to our poster.
A very warm welcome.

Tina

[hatton65]

Hello All

I ordered a birth Certificate for Leah Chidlow born (15 September) 1868 and on it - it says her father was Joseph Chidlow (by the way his occupation say farm labourer - I think) and mother Ann Chidlow (formerly Jeffreys). I cannot find a marriage for them.

I was convinced her name was Ann Palin.

Could it have been that Ann Married a Palin before she married Joseph
or
There is a death for Ann Chidlow in 1965 - could this have been his 1st marriage to Ann Palin and he went on to marry Ann Jeffreys.

How is it I can't find a marriage for them?

I have now ordered a birth certificate for Mary Ann Smith - Leah's eldest daughter and my Grandmother just to check for certain I have the right family tree, but I am sure I have the right tree. I will know next week.

Also where is kathy k who started this post, I would love to know if you are related - it is this post that gave me load of info

Thanks Andrea

[Hilary]

Market Drayton March Q 1863 vol 6a page 1075
On the same page Joseph Chidlow and Ann Palin

Market Drayton DEc Q 1865
Joseph Chidlow
3 men and 2 women on the page could the missing name be Ann jeffreys?

Could Joseph have married Ann Palin she dies and he marries Ann Jeffreys?

[Tina]

Hi Hilary
There's a death in Wem Shrops in March qtr 1865 for
an Ann Chidlow.
It's quite an unusual surname, makes you wonder?

Tina

[MaryA]

The marriage for 1865 has an incorrect page number. It should be 1521 and the two ladies on the same page are Martha Gregory and Mary Matthews, so I don't think this would be your Joseph.

[hatton65]

I have got the birth certificate for Mary Ann Smith born 6 oct 1894, it comfirms leah chidlow and joseph smith are her parents,

Leah chidlow's born 15 September 1868 comfirms joseph smith and Ann Chidlow formaly Jeffreys.

Ann would have been 36 when she had Leah

Also on the 1871 census and 1881 census it says that Thomas a grandchild is living with them.

Did Joseph have other children who were old enough to have a child when they were starting the new family.

I still cannot find the marriage of Joseph to Ann Jeffreys

[hatton65]

I think I have found Joseph and Ann Jeffreys marriage (I got the answers from the Staffordshire family history site - so not all my credit)

Ann Jeffreys married Joseph in 1854 although the surname is spelt Chidler, on the 1861 census is Martha and Ann,

Martha we think is the mother of Thomas, she was an unmarried mother and would have only been 15 at the time she give birth,

It seems to me that Joseph and Ann brought up Thomas and Martha went on to work as a servant in cesus 1871 and 1881.

Martha and Thomas are reunited in a later census on one of them it says she is is mother and on the later one it says she is his sister ( i believe she is his mum)

I have not long got this reply so I am going to check it out and update my tree, I think the info I have been given is right, yippee

[MaryA]

Sounds a reasonable mis-spelling, well done on your find, hope it lets you move further on.