John REDDING of Liverpool and Ireland (1840 - 1885)

[dickiesam]

Some background. Often provides clues to the main search....
RE:

Witnesses: Boyle Smith & Elizabeth Hewitson

Must have been good 'friends' at John Redding's wedding.....
Marriages Sep 1862: Smith, Boyle to Hewitson, Betsey - Liverpool - 8B - 207.
According to the 1871 he's a Police Inspector, bn 1841 in Lancs, living with his M-in-law, wife and 4 children.
RG10 / Piece:3810 / Folio:48 / Page:35.

Dickiesam

[BurscoughLad]

Hey DS,

That's something I would not have expected!!!

I had thought to investigate the possibilty of Elizabeth Hewitson being the married sister of Sarah Ann Clarke.

Thx for that snippet.

I reckon that I will be following up the possible Irish locations, as mentioned. Something to keep me out of mischief!!

Ian

PS Boyle is not the sort of name one sees every day as a Given name. Do you have any ideas from where at might originate?? Is it possibly Irish??

[Hilary]

Thinking that George was probably a farmer in Ireland, I had a look on the Griffith's Valuation for a George Redding. Only one shows up.

George Redding
Townland Boggaun
Parish Killvinoge
Union Roscrea
Barony Okerrin
County Tipperary

The holding was a house and land owned by George Gould and was just over 18 acres.

Don't know if this is of any use but it might be.

I used this site www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

Hilary
Ed Officer

[BurscoughLad]

Hello Hilary,

Thx for this info.

Am I right in presuming that GR is a tenant of the house and land owned by George Gould??

If this is so, then I will need to identify a C of I church in the parish to see if records are available. A baptism of John in or around 1838/9, maybe??

Is it possible that records would still be available? I thought most records had been destroyed in 1922 - Or were they just the civil records??

Would there be any other source of info regarding GR's wife and children that would be worth investigating??

Regards

Ian

[dickiesam]

Hi Ian,
Re Boyle! An interesting character.. from very humble beginnings in Peach Street in 1841 via 1 House, 12 Court, Great Richmond Street in 1851 to a Police Inspector before 1871. Didn't he do well! He's not showing in the 1861 so he could have been on detachment in Ireland. Perhaps in Darrow Green? The Irish police force was after all run by the Brits back then.

I have never come across Boyle as a forename before. But it was fortunate given that his surname was Smith! Made him very easy to find in the 1871, 1851 and 1841. In the latter @ HO107 / Piece:561 / Book/Folio:21/31 / Page:55 he is one of 7 children. His father was Simpson Smith!

So there are two unusual forenames and I suspect they are maiden names of possibly their respective mothers. I don't think there's a connection with the town of Boyle in Co Roscommon, Ireland. In 1851 Simpson is a widower and there's no wife listed in the 1841. In 1841 Boyle is shown as being 5 years old which makes him born in 1836. The father is a stone mason and has moved around a bit. The eldest child, Sarah, was born in Scotland, while two boys were born in Bangor, N Wales and the rest apparently in Liverpool.

Back to John Redding, I found these here: http://www.rootsireland.ie/
Church Baptism > Redding, John - 1839 - Co. Cork.
Church Baptism > Reading, John - 1840 - Co. Limerick.

It's a free to search site but you pays 5 Euro each to content of each record. Might be a worthwhile investment to see who the father was?
Cheers,

Dickiesam

[BurscoughLad]

Hi DS

Well, there's a coincidence!!

My G Grandfather, George Augustus Gardner McDiarmid, on my mother's tree, was born in 46 Peach Street in May 1861.

Thx for this info. - it might just help "glue" other bits together further on.

Regards

Ian

[Hilary]

If you look on the site I gave you will see the information in full.

Having no Irish Ancestors I'm not very good on Irish research. What I would do would be to google the parish maybe with the addition of church registers.

My understanding of church registers in Ireland is that they exist sometimes still in the church or else in the Record Office.

I'm sure someone on the forum will be able to tell you better.

Hilary
Ed Officer

[Hilary]

The George of the Griffith's valuation shows on the Death Indexes Irish Civil Registration on the beta search of www.familysearch.org

George Reddan Roscrea aged 80 1877

Hilary
Ed Officer

[BurscoughLad]

Thx Hilary,

I will look this up as you suggest.

It looks as though the family stayed in and around Roscrea.

This is the first indication of a name change; to dropping the "g".

Like my Dad used to say; he only had one Given name because his parents couldn't afford a miidle name for him!!!!

[dickiesam]

Hi Ian,
RE:

Is it possible that records would still be available? I thought most records had been destroyed in 1922 - Or were they just the civil records??

The records destroyed in a fire at the Public Records Office in Dublin during the Irish Civil War were part of the civil statutary BMD records, which started in 1864. Only a part of the collection was destroyed, and most of what was lost has been restored from other sources.

Parish and church records were not held centrally, but in the particular church and copies often held by the 'local' bishop's office. Access to most of these records is now 'controlled' by county heritage centres. Fortunately, most centres have digitised the bulk of records and they are now available, for a price (!) on http://www.rootsireland.ie/.

Dickiesam

[BurscoughLad]

Hello DS

That is encouraging news, as I had been told, "Oh, you've no chance if they're from Ireland"

Will progress this as soon as poss, because it has been such a brickwall for so long.

However, decorating to be completed before Christmas as the family are descending on us!!

regards

Ian

[BurscoughLad]

Back on the trail again!!

I have recently found some baptisms of REDDING's at St Fintan's, Durrow, Queens County (now Co Laoise). These are roughly 10 years earlier than John R's birth date of 1838, but could well be older siblings.
Can anyone advise the likely location of this church's records?
What I am attempting is to tie in with JR's father, George (a farmer); information provided from JR's marriage cert.
Any guidance on this would be much appreciated.

[BurscoughLad]

Sorry DS,

Just read an earlier post about local heritage centres!!

Forgot about it - but it was a while ago!!

It happens when you're 70!!

[dickiesam]

Hello Ian,
I believe your best course of action would be to contact the C of I via the RCB Library [Representative Church Body] site. Their staff will hopefully point you in the right direction. http://www.ireland.anglican.org/about/42

Ask if there are any records extant with regard to St. Fintan's Church, The Square, Durrow, Co. Laois, Ireland. The church is in the Diocese of Ossory. It does look however, with the absence of records from the http://www.rootsireland.ie/ site that you may have to resort to employing a pro researcher because the RCB staff do not undertake searches. The RCB site does have a contact button to the pro-researcher's site.

DS

[dickiesam]

Sorry DS,

Just read an earlier post about local heritage centres!!

Forgot about it - but it was a while ago!!

It happens when you're 70!!

Happens when you are a fair bit older than that too!
Local heritage centres tend to be quite expensive. They were originally set up to feed off the American genealogy tourist market, when there was quite a bit of cash around and pre-9/11. With regard to C of I research the Dublin RGB Library and a pro-researcher is your best bet.

DS

[MaryA]

Pro researcher is still not cheap. I had a contact I met in Dublin once I was going to ask, but due to illness she was unable and gave me a referral. I wrote for a quotation.

I provided two dates of death - one just the quarter, the other exact. Their quotation to Search the Calendar of Wills and Administrations for evidence of the two names was 98 Euros.

I found the one when I visited Ireland, called into the National Archives and it took me five minutes.

Always ask for a quotation before you book the work.

If we had a friend who lived in Dublin they could make themselves a fortune just doing an odd look up now and again.

[dickiesam]

Hi Ian,
Just a thought... when contacting the C of I RCB Library, in your query ask for the name of the present incumbent of St. Fintan's Church in Durrow and if they have an email address.

Then you could write direct to the vicar and ask about the church records. You could offer a contribution to church funds in return for their time in looking up records and, if possible, taking a copy or a digital photograph.

Has worked twice for me.

DS

[BurscoughLad]

Hi DS

His name is Rev Canon Patrick Harvey and I wrote to him 3 weeks ago.
Maybe I am to impatient. Perhaps a second letter and an offer in a couple of weeks might do the trick.

Thank you all for your comments.

I have a friend who normally lives in Ennis, but she's with her husband in Dubai for the next 18 months!!!