Help please from directory or probate calendar

Post by **daggers** » 07 Mar 2012 08:47

I am trying to find the occupation of Robert Wilding Butler who died in 1944 aged 58, having lived in Aigburth. In 1911 he was a law clerk.
Some old Kelly's Directories gave occupations, and if anyone has a pre WW2 edition perhaps they could look for him.
Otherwise, is it Ancestry that has probate records? Could any subscriber look for him in 1944/5?
Many thanks.
Daggers

Post by **Hilary** » 07 Mar 2012 09:10

The Probate calenedar on Ancestry is only up to 1941. After that it's the probate index books held at Liverpool Record Office and Lancashire Record Office.

Post by **daggers** » 07 Mar 2012 09:14

Hilary
Thanks for the probate information. I'll see if anything appears from directories before seeking out the books at the RO.
D

Post by **erika** » 07 Mar 2012 11:05

Hi daggers

Kelly's 1938 directory has him living at 19 Bilston Road, L 17 unfortunately no occupation given.

Looked up solicitors, but he wasn't listed there.

He wasn't in the 1914 directory that I could see.

Not really a lot of help if it was the occupation you were after

Post by **erika** » 07 Mar 2012 11:48

Had another look in 1914 for the family.
1911 census had them living at 45 Stopford Street, Dingle, but they are not there in 1914.
Also no sign of Edward Butler, Robert's father.

Not sure if there is another directory around between 1914 and 1938, can't see anyone in our Directory of Directories.

Post by **daggers** » 07 Mar 2012 11:49

Erika
Many thanks for your efforts. It looks like a trip to the RO for the probate calendar after all.
D

Post by **Katie** » 07 Mar 2012 18:50

I.m there tomorrow I'll do a quick look and see in the Probates.

Post by **daggers** » 07 Mar 2012 20:55

Katie
That would be very helpful. Thanks.
D

Post by **Katie** » 08 Mar 2012 13:29

Butler Robert Wilding of 19 Bilston Road, Aigburth, Liverpool died 1st December 1943. Probate Liverpool 16th March 1944 to Lily Butler widow
Effects £3627 5s 11d. No profession recorded. Quite a fortune tho

Post by **daggers** » 08 Mar 2012 14:54

Katie
Thanks once more for your help. Pity about the lack of occupation in the entry, but that is how it goes, sometimes.
Daggers

Post by **Blue70** » 08 Mar 2012 15:08

Hi Daggers,

Here's some more information about Robert Wilding Butler:-

Birth/Baptism:-

Name: Robert Wilding Butler
Born: 9 April 1885
Baptism: 25 Nov 1900
Baptism Place: St Saviour C of E, Everton
Parents: Edward & Elizabeth Butler
Father's Occupation: Purser
Address: 45 Stopford Street

From WW1 Service Record:-

Home Address: 31 Garswood Street Liverpool
Attested: 11 December 1915
Regiment: Royal Engineers
Number: 131446
Occupation: Clerk
Employer: Gibbons & Arkle Solicitors or Gibbons, Arkle & Darbishire
Address: 13 Union Court, Castle Street Liverpool

Son: Robert Edward Butler
Date of Birth: 16 August 1916
Died: 1972
Age: 55
Place: Chelsea, London

Marriage:-

Place: St Michael's C of E Toxteth Park
Date: 24 July 1915
Groom: Robert Wilding Butler, 30, Bachelor, Clerk, 89 Blythswood Street
Groom's Father: Edward Butler, Purser
Bride: Lily Jones, 29, Spinster, 39 Fulwood Road
Bride's Father: George Jones, Shipwright
Witness 1: George Jones
Witness 2: Hannah Jones
Witness 3: Robert P. Jones

Burial of Ashes:-

Place: St Anne, Aigburth
Date: 15 August 1944
Name: Robert Wilding Butler
Address: 19 Bilston Road
Age: 58

In 1938 "Arkle & Darbishire" were still based at 13 Union Court, Castle Street Liverpool so Robert Wilding Butler could have been working there in later life.

Blue

Post by **daggers** » 08 Mar 2012 16:46

Blue
Thanks for all that digging. I remember the name of Arkle & Darbishire from post WW2 days - firms lasted a lot longer then than now, it seems.
I am putting together notes on the few burials recorded at St Anne, Aigburth, [where there are also many burials of ashes]. This information helps to round off this entry.
Daggers

Post by **erika** » 08 Mar 2012 20:12

The records for Arkle & Darbishire ( Solicitors ) are held at Lancashire Record Office. Could have something there if you are interested.

Seeing St Anne's Church mentioned brought back loads of memories for me.
I used to go there regularly and always for Church Parade in the Brownies and Guides, also later I was confirmed there

Mr Ruffel was the vicar then and there was a lovely vicarage along Aigburth Road.
Sorry a bit off topic, but I love the old memories

Post by **daggers** » 08 Mar 2012 20:36

I think I have enough about Butler now, thanks.
The church parades continue once a month, and the parish hall is somewhat improved.
The old vicarage was sold, demolished and replaced by bland flats. The replacement is one of the houses near the Methodist church, which has closed down recently.
There have been three vicars since Ruffell, whom I did not know.
I could go on..., but might be off topic.
Daggers