burke,sainsbury family connection

[jupiter32]

hi not sure about this but you maybe correct about the name sansbury my mother in law said that when she was getting married her husbands friend put the bands in the church for them and on her wedding certificate it says sansbury but not on her birth cert as she recalls it says sainsbury her name is alice sainsbury born 30/6/ 1921,you may have this riddle sorted thankyou

[colette]

Hi Simon i found the marriage on

http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/

1898 472 ST JOSEPH, MATTHEW MATTHAEUM BURKE ALICE ALICIAM McDERMOTT

Roman Catholic.. also checked to see if there was a deed for Matthews grave at Ford being Catholic couldnt see one.

St Joseph,
Grosvenor Street,
Liverpool
Lancashire

xx

[simone]

Well done Col Maybe Jan could look at it at the record office or ask for a lookup when someone is going. Don't think I'll be going for a bit..

Simone x

[colette]

Hi

Just wondered if the 1911 has been checked for Alice.. just to see where she is living and with who.. maybe a clue as a family member could be with her....

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[MaryA]

From the 1911 index
RD453 SD2 ED13 (the Exchange area of Liverpool)
Alice Burke 32, Mary 10, Ellen 8, Mark 6, Joseph 3

[colette]

Hiya

So thats 4 children with Mark/Matthew..she even names one Mark but also names one Joseph Matthews father was called Joseph...

Her own mother was called Mary but Matthews mother was also called Mary..so thats why Mary..

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww its complicated to say the least

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[simone]

But John's dad is Michael

so is this the family you mean in 1881
RG11; Piece: 3699; Folio: 111; Page: 7
Name Age
55 Holborn Street
Mary Burke 34 widow b Liverpool
Joseph Burke 13
Robert Burke 8
Mathew Burke 5


which could be 1871

Name Age RG10; Piece: 3781; Folio: 104; Page: 57
Joseph Burke 30 b Eniskillen Ireland
Mary Burke 25 b Liverpool
Joseph Burke 3 b Liverpool
Richard Burke 1 bLiverpool
Margaret Aley 18


so now we have 2 Burkes families, one with John whose dad is Michael and he had a brother Mark b 1876 on the 1891 census.

Then we have Matthew with Joseph and Mary but no brother John.

We have a birth reg for each of them Matthew and Mark in 1876, but also a death reg in 1876 fro Matthew which may in fact be nothing to do with them

so either Alice married Mark (brother to John) b 1876 and he is calling himself Matthew on the marriage cert and in 1901, or the Matthew she married is the son of Joseph and Mary, and maybe he and John are cousins

Deffo need to see that marriage certficate

Yikes

Simone x

[jupiter32]

hi to everyone in trying to sort this muddle out, for an up date my mother inlaw is now un sure if mark and alice where married, but she says mark, and john are definatly brothers, she does not recall a matthew, not even as a cousin, to mark and john. my mind is all a frazzle over this as i can,t really sort out the burke side of my tree until it is clear?????????and as my mother in-law is now the last surviving member from the burke side through her mother mary burke there is no one else i can turn to for the exact information. thankyou all for the help you have given thankyouuuuuuuuuuuu all jan

[MaryA]

I'm with Simone on this, you need to make a trip to the Record Office and get the marriage details. Work from facts not from somebody's memory that could be either faulty or she may know only what she was told.

[42aitch]

The marriage at St Josephs RC Church is as follows:

19.6.1898 Matthew Burke - 22 - Bachelor - Foundry Labourer of 2 Feather St Liverpool 12 - son of Michael - Labourer to
Alice Mc Dermott - 21 - spinster of 12 Turner Street, dgt of Martin Mc Dermott - Shoemaker. Marriage by Certificate
Witnesses Andrew Stenson and Elizabeth Kearney

Hope this helps with your search.

Eileen

[simone]

Oh fab Eileen what a star

So Matthew has same dad as John.. Matthew/Mark same person by the looks of it

[colette]

Hi

Thanks for the marriage lookup hes gotta be the same man.. but why call yourself Matthew..it just shows you for future cases about names doesnt it..maybe everyone knew him as Mark, but on formal documents he used Matthew..

Any Sue found his burial in Ford.. ford cemtertry/plot 1145 public grave address liverpool workhouse date 2/21908 age 32 cheers sue

So he must have taken ill and went to the Workhouse Infirmary.

So i think this case is closed now Matthew & Mark are the same man..

And the other Matthew did go to the States were he remained..

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[carly]

My nan is Mary Burke's daughter. Mary had 3 other siblings she was the eldest of four there was Ellen mark and Joseph, then when her mother married John (her dads brother) she has more siblings, there was 2 sets of twins and only one person from each set survived a lady called Alice and a man called John who died when he was 21 and there was also a woman called Bella.
Its hard to find their records because each member of the family would spell their names differently

[carly]

does anyone know where about in Ireland Alice McDermott was from? this is really interesting reading about the family history

[Blue70]

Hi Carly

Welcome to the forum. It was Alice's father Martin McDermott who was born in Ireland. The 1875 marriage record of Martin McDermott and Mary Maguire says Martin's father was called Charles McDermott, occupation Tailor. I did a baptism search for Martin son of Charles on the Irish websites but nothing matched. Maybe in the future when more Irish records are available you will be able to find out where in Ireland the McDermotts came from.

Blue

[Blue70]

I've found Martin McDermott in the 1911 Census on Ancestry he was from Castlebar, County Mayo, Ireland.

Blue

[carly]

thank you my nan is very pleased to finally find out where about in Ireland he is from clears allot up thank you very much