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[steveboler]

Hi Hilary,
Oops! I am sorry.
Yes link up.
Never thought it would be so hard to gain information in the UK. I don't understand with all the records available why it becomes difficult. Information missing on births etc. That is why I have searched high and low and different sites. Latterly your site and must say they have been the most productive.
Been more or less plain sailing on the english family.
Regards,

Steve

[Hilary]

It's difficult because

- there are few Jewish records online

- their names may have been mangled because they couldn't write, read or speak English

- their names have been mangled because the person recording the information couldn't understand their accent and wrote what he thought he heard

- if they were recent immigrants they may not have understood the birth registration system or be frightened of officialdom because of what had caused their immigration

I also understand that you need to know wht branch of the Jewish faith they belonged to as that helps to find which synagogue all the family information would have been recorded in.

I am sure that at some point you will need to actually look at some of these records and the earlier ones may be held in a Record Office. For instance I know the Liverpool Record Office holds many Jewish records.
Manchester Record Office may also hold some, there is certainly a Jewish museum there. I don't know where Jewish records are held in London but a google of something like Jewish Records London should be a starting point.

The records will be there somewhere its a case of finding where and then as I think it unlikely they will be online either visiting for yourself or employing a researcher to visit for you.

I'd also suggest you read a book on Researching Jewish Family History as that may well give some pointers to where to look.

Family History isn't a quick, easy or cheap hobby it's just a fascinating one and as someone once said to me it's addictive!

As some people on the forum know I have a very elusive grandmother and that's after 9 years or so of looking!!

[Hilary]

It would be interesting to see what Lazarus gives as his father's name at his marriage

According to www.lancashirebmd.org.uk he married Leah Mazorkoff at the Great Synanagogue Russel St and Grove St - also recorded as a Registrar attended marriage. Might be worth getting the certificate.

Lazarus appears to have died in Manchester. Now we have 2 Leah Goldsteins!!

[steveboler]

Hi Mary A & Hilary,

Mary first: I apologise to you for the duplication.
You mention in the 1911 census Gertrude b. 1893. So records are not always correct and complicate matters. Thank you for the info.
Hilary: Noted your comments and have a friend in Manchester so will have a word as she is on site so to speak (I am in Italy). Will look up on the internet as to your suggestions.
Oh! it is addictive and frustrating at times, and I enjoy it - and never give up. I enjoy a challenge or two.
So listen girls I have printed all your replies and going to sift through them all again and start another plan of action - I will get to the bottom of the Mendle/Goldstein Affair.
Of all the research sites and forums you are onlyones to give me so much information in the space of a couple of days thank you very much.

Regards to all,

Steve xxx

[MaryA]

Because you have actually mentioned the difficulty of research because of your location, twice, I have to say that I, as do many other family historians, have a full time job and family commitments which preclude me from visiting the Record Office except on rare occasions - I'm looking forward to retirement when I can indulge myself more.

Practically all of my research is done online, I don't leave my chair, although good practice says that I need to obtain certificates for my baptisms, marriages and deaths which ensure that I keep to the right line, taking the research step by step through the generations.

Very recently much of this has been made easier by the availability of some of the parish registers online, however, most of the research done up to now has been before this availability and like others have done, I have purchased them through either the local Register Office or the General Register Office in Southport.

We learn ways and means of searching databases using wildcards, or even spending long hours trawling down a list produced from first names only - such as Dickiesam did above, when looking for Gertrude's birth entry.

It is truly an addictive hobby, and we are often spurred on when, perhaps after many years of searching, there is suddenly a "eureka moment" - and we find that all of our friends on here share and congratulate because each of them has been there before and know the feeling.

You will love reading the quarterly Journal - it'll be like a little piece of home, if not for you then of the place your ancestors were born, married and lived. http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/

[steveboler]

Hi, MaryA and the Crew,
Hope you will have noticed my replies to all the messages on "Electoral Rolls 1900's".

I am sorry about the forgetfullness and please know that I was and am grateful for all the help.
Out of respect for you all I will continue posting my results on Electoral Rolls so you all know how I am getting on.

Kind regards,

Steve

[MaryA]

Without reading through the whole of this post, I'm thinking of the comment I made at the end of my last message about you enjoying the journal - so am I right thinking that you have joined the Society? if so please display your membership number in your signature so that we know.

Thanks