Rainhill Records

[colette]

Hi all

Has anyone ever tried to access Rainhills records if so what can you find out ?


I have discovered my Great Great Gran was placed there c1893 she was 38 years old, she was still there 1901 and 1911.

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[Katie]

We'll there will be a picture of her when she was admitted and when she was discharged. Why she was admitted etc etc. Be aware that there is a 100 year closure on these records, so if the records you wan't to access fall in that period you may have to pay the research officer so check.

[colette]

Thank you Katie


So do you mean her admissions up to 1911 i would be able to see as 100 years have gone by now.

How do you go about viewing them..would they be at Sandhills now..

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[dickiesam]

Hi,
It is quite some time ago, but I was able to get copies of a g.g.father's records from when he was admitted to 'Rainhill County Lunatic Asylum' to when he died there in 1877. I received his admission and ward medical records and a copy of the autopsy.

I originally applied by email to the LRO and was directed to obtain a 'Permission Letter' from, I think Alder Hey. It took some to-ing and fro-ing of correspondence but eventually the permission was granted.

Racking the grey cells to remember the lady in Alder Hey I wrote to! It was over 10 years ago. I know that to access medical records I had to prove my line back to my man with copies of birth and marriages certs, from his marriage, the birth of my paternal g.mother, her marriage, the birth of my father and his marriage, right down to my birth cert.

Having got the 'permission' letter I then wrote to the LRO explaining I could not attend in person. The nice people there said 'no problem', and emailed me digital photographs of the relevant papers. Great service!

DS

[Katie]

Yes they are at Sandhills. Go on to the online catalogue www.liverpool.gov.uk and go to the Archives and type in Rainhill you should be able to see if the record you wan't to consult is not within the 100 year closure. The Ref no is M614 RAI

[Katie]

You don't have to go through all that now DS. The research officer came and gave a talk last year on Accessing closed records and MaryA posted details and you dont have to do that now for Rainhill, I'm sure MaryA will pick up on this and get the link.

[Katie]

Heres the link

http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... ill+asylum

[colette]

Thanks guys

I have contacted the records office for more info..

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[colette]

Hi

I was looking at a link Mary put on here regarding Rainhill and burials

found this



Deceased detail - Elizabeth Cook



Death date

00 / 00 / 0000

Burial date

16 / 11 / 1922

Location

St Helens Cemetery

Register Number

65024

Age

68 Years

Grave detail

Grave reference


STHELCEM / 15 / 442

Its a public Grave and shes the right age working out from her birth..

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[colette]

Hi

I am gonna take the plunge and get the death cert Dec 1922 Prescot Elizabeth Cook aged 68..

Fingers crossed


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[dickiesam]

You don't have to go through all that now DS. The research officer came and gave a talk last year on Accessing closed records and MaryA posted details and you dont have to do that now for Rainhill, I'm sure MaryA will pick up on this and get the link.

Hi Katie,
Glad to hear the 'system' has lightened up. I assume this applies to Medical Records as well as admissions and discharges? The rigmarole I had to go through was because I wanted medical records, primarily to lay a cupboard skeleton to rest and clear up a family story.

DS

[padjo1]

Hi All

Really interested in the post on records for Workhouses.

My Great grandmother passed away according to her death cert, in Walton Workhouse, she is a complete mystery apart from the 1911 census she appears on with Grandad an one of his younger sisters, ( No maiden name etc) and 1911 census states widow, and death cert spinster. Her death cert in 1922 states of the address my grand parents got married from 9 years later. So would be interested in who or how , especially any photo's , on admission etc. Do appreciate records are not complete.

Do you have to attend Liverpool Library to access the records, for workhouses, or can they be done online if library member.

I have very little time to get the library with work commitments.

Appreciate any replies.

Regards

Michelle

[MaryA]

It would be brilliant if documents were accessible online, but unfortunately this facility hasn't been set up by the Liverpool Record Office.

[colette]

Hi all

Recieved this mail today

From Roger Hull,

Researcher,

Liverpool Record Office



I have found an Elizabeth Cook in the indexes to Rainhill asylum. She was admitted on 3/6/1892 (no 9254) and was admitted to the Annexe (usually for cases of dementia). She died in November 1923?.

We should have admission papers and a casebook file which you can either see in person or we can digitise this for you for a fee of £25. I can then either send the images to you by e-mail or on disc or as hard copy.

If you want to view the files in person we do need advance notice of your visit to our temporary premises near Sandhills station. See our website for fur the r detail at www.liverpool.gov.uk and follow the links.


So good news...I have asked Roger Hull if he would be so good as to make sure she is my woman before i pay £25 just by checking her address on admission..

I made an error i thought i found Elizabeth's burial in St Helens Oct-Dec 1922 so sent for death cert

Now i hear its 1923 close but no cigar,,that £10 could hav egone towards the files.....


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[MaryA]

Would have saved you the £25 if you had visited Sandhills to see the documents Col. The train would have taken you very close by. I bet you would be allowed your camera too, to take photographs of the docs for free.

[dickiesam]

Hi All

Really interested in the post on records for Workhouses.

My Great grandmother passed away according to her death cert, in Walton Workhouse, she is a complete mystery apart from the 1911 census she appears on with Grandad an one of his younger sisters, ( No maiden name etc) and 1911 census states widow, and death cert spinster. Her death cert in 1922 states of the address my grand parents got married from 9 years later. So would be interested in who or how , especially any photo's , on admission etc. Do appreciate records are not complete.

Do you have to attend Liverpool Library to access the records, for workhouses, or can they be done online if library member.

I have very little time to get the library with work commitments.

Appreciate any replies.

Regards

Michelle

Hi Michelle,
It is almost certain that your g.g.mother passed away in the infirmary attached to the hospital, not in the workhouse itself. The cause of death and whether there was an autopsy will be noted on the death cert. Occasionally the reason for the hospital admission can be deduced from the cause of death column entry. If there are records they will not be open to the public for another 10 years.

As we like mysteries on this forum [why is she a spinster on the death cert if she was a g.g.mother?] why not post a new topic?

DS

[colette]

Hi Mary

I have never been to a Records Office in my life believe it or not wouldnt know what to do haaaaaaaaaaaa

[colette]

Now i am wondering about Elizabeth's children..

As my Great Gran Jane Cook told mum she was in the Cottage Homes..this must be true..and i bet its when her mother went into Rainhill.
So i have a date to work from which is good..she also said she worked in the Isle Of Man..but we dont know when..

If Jane 9 in 1891 and shes in Liverpool in 1901 would it be possible that the Cottage Home would send girls to the Isle Of Man as servants in their early teens ??

I have never been able to find Jane in 1891 nor her father Archibald or brother also called Archibald..only Elizabeth and her youngest son William..living alone in Kirkdale..

[MaryA]

Now's your chance to learn Colette - you may find the answers to many mysteries if you found that entry, or rather exit from the Cottage Homes since they often give reasons and where they were discharged to.

You would find everybody very helpful, whether you were searching in the Records Office (Museum) or Sandhills, you'd soon find your way around or if in any difficult there won't be a shortage of helpers to advise.

[Hilary]

Definitely take the plunge and go! Yours is such a specific query that they will have it all out waiting for you. You will have to make an appointmnet for Sandhills and then when you arrive they will have the stuff waiting for you.

I think the Cottage homes registers may also be there as well so you could request to see them at the same time.

It's great seeing the records for yourself. I still remember the awe and amazement I felt when I held a will made and signed by my 5x great grandfather in 1814.