Sarah Langley Married John holland

[NorthernLass1]

Hi my grandmother sarah langley daughter of willian langley from wirral married John holland from newton le willows in 1885-7 sarah was born 1864 or 65 john holland was born in 1864 ....my grandmother elizabeth holland was born in wirral does anyone know anything about my family in liverpool of Langleys or Hollands from Earlstown Newqton le willows

[jan44]

Hi Northernlass1,

Welcome to the forum,

Can you tell us what info you already have on the family? do you have the marriage cert for Sarah and John? I ask because you put the date between 1885-7.

I found this marriage on the lancashire BMD site.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1883
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LANGLEY Sarah A HOLLAND John Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/76/11

Do you have the family in any census etc?

Jan

[MaryA]

From the dates you gave I'm guessing that this is the family

1891 census - Common Road, Newton in Makerfield, Lancashire
John Holland Head M 28 Coal Miner Parr, St Helens
Sarah Ann Wife M 27 New Brighton, Cheshire
Elizabeth daur 5 New Brighton, Cheshire
William son 4 New Brighton, Cheshire
Daniel son 7 months Newton in Makerfield, Lancashire
RG12; Piece: 3069; Folio: 13; Page: 20

There is a possible marriage at St Peter's for Sarah A Langley and John Holland but it is in 1883. The reference is Q3 1883 Liverpool 8b 248 with this you can order the certificate online from www.gro.gov.uk

Living just a couple of doors away from the Hollands are
Daniel Holland 38 coal miner from St Helens
Ann Jane his wife 38 from St Helens
and children Alice 11 born Rainford, Daniel 9 and Ann Jane 7 both born St Helens, John 4 born Haydock and Florence Maud age 1, born Newton in Makerfield. Gut instinct says that Daniel might be your John's brother.

[jan44]

The marriage is also on familysearch.org

Groom's Name: John Holland
Groom's Birth Date: 1863
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 20
Bride's Name: Sarah Ann Langley
Bride's Birth Date: 1863
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 20
Marriage Date: 25 Sep 1883
Marriage Place: St. Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Groom's Father's Name: William Holland
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: William Langley
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00765-8
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1656687
Reference Number: it 3, p 6, no 11

Jan

[Tina]

Welcome Northernlass
Quick on the draw Mary and Jan, good stuff.
If this is the correct family, you can view Sarah Ann Langley with her father William, mother and siblings in 1881 census, free through familysearch.org
She was born in New Brighton so looks a good match.
John Holland bn Parr father William is also in 1881 census.
Elizabeth is 16 in 1901 census, just let us know if you need details.
Good luck.

Tina

[dickiesam]

This is her first census.. 1871, with lots of siblings!

LANGLEY, William - Head - 35 - General labourer - Wallasey, Cheshire.
LANGLEY, Sarah - Wife - 34 - Wallasey, Cheshire.
LANGLEY, Elizabeth - Dtr - 16 - Liverpool, Lancashire
LANGLEY, Ellen Jane - Dtr - 14 - Wallasey, Cheshire
LANGLEY, James - Son - 10 - Wallasey, Cheshire
LANGLEY, William - Son - 8 - Wallasey, Cheshire
LANGLEY, Sarah A - Dtr - 6 - Wallasey, Cheshire
LANGLEY, Thomas - Son - 3 - Wallasey, Cheshire
LANGLEY, Eliza - Dtr - 0 - Wallasey, Cheshire

Address: Lime Kiln Cottages, Bathing Machine House, Liscard, Cheshire
RG10 - Piece: 3753 - Folio: 77 - Page:71

And the family in 1861:
LANGLEY, William - Head - Married - 26 - Labourer Gardener - Liscard, Cheshire.
LANGLEY, Sarah - Wife - 24 - Wallasey, Cheshire
LANGLEY, Elizabeth - Dtr - 6 - Liverpool, Lancashire.
LANGLEY, Jane - Dtr - 4 - Upper Brighton, Cheshire.
LANGLEY, James - Son - 0 (6M) - Upper Brighton, Cheshire.

Address: Magazine Lane, Liscard, Cheshire.
RG09 - Piece:2648 - Folio: 77 - Page:7.

DS

[NorthernLass1]

Hi everyone, Thank you so very much for all the information. yes this is my family i have nothing except what my mum told me all the family are dead now on my side as is my mum. So no certificates at all. my mums name was elsie brown from common rd newton le willows as then newton in makerfield.. her mum and dad where joseph brown born 1881 parr sthelens. her mum elizabeth holland daughter of john holland born 1863 and sarah ann langley 1865 new brighton liverpool. sarah anns dad was william so thank you for this everyone so much I would love to see where they lived in liverpool

[dickiesam]

Hi everyone, Thank you so very much for all the information. yes this is my family i have nothing except what my mum told me all the family are dead now on my side as is my mum. So no certificates at all. my mums name was elsie brown from common rd newton le willows as then newton in makerfield.. her mum and dad where joseph brown born 1881 parr sthelens. her mum elizabeth holland daughter of john holland born 1863 and sarah ann langley 1865 new brighton liverpool. sarah anns dad was william so thank you for this everyone so much I would love to see where they lived in liverpool

Hi,
Seems the Langley family were only living in Liverpool when Elizabeth was born.
From 1861: LANGLEY, Elizabeth - Dtr - 6 - Liverpool, Lancashire.
This is probably her birth:
Name: LANGLEY, Elizabeth
Registration District: West Derby, Liverpool.
Year/qtr of Registration: 1855 / Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume No: 8B; Page No: 279.

It is possible the crew could find her baptism for you and that should give a home address.

This might be her parents' marriage:
Marriage: LANGLEY, William
Registration District: Liverpool
Year.qtr of Registration: 1855 / Apr-May-Jun
Volume No: 8B; Page No: 253
William Langley married either DEAN, Sarah or FULLERTON, Elizabeth

With both William and Sarah being from Wallasey and looking at the dates of the birth and marriage, if they are the correct people I think they may have been 'across the water' in Liverpool because Sarah 'had a bump' when she married.

EDIT to add: There's a picture of the top of Magazine Lane, Liscard here:
http://www.wirralhistory.net/liscard.html

DS

[simone]

Hi

Baptism 3 sept 1855 at St Peter, Liverpool

[simone]

also



Ellen Jane Langley
1857
Baptism Date: 20 Sep 1857
Liverpool St Nicholas
Father -William Langley
Mother -Sarah Langley
adress Liscard


also - not sure of this one belongs
Mary Langley
Birth Date: 28 Dec 1866
Baptism Date: 4 Feb 1867
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
address Regent St
Father -William Langley
Mother -Sarah Langley

[jan44]

Baptism William Holland, New Brighton Parish.



Jan

[MaryA]

Certificates are documents that generally speaking are acquired in the course of your research, few of us have had any passed down in the family, wonderful bonus if you have, but these are essential to verify your findings step by step, so as not to take a wrong turning.

I think you might benefit from a "Getting Started" talk, our Society http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/ do have these from time to time, perhaps if you contact Hilary, (Education Officer) she might be able to let you know where her next will be held, but some of the other Branches might also have these, you could contact your nearest and ask. http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/groups.html

Even if there are none planned to suit your time and location yet, you would find it worthwhile to join the Society and perhaps pop along to one of the meetings near where you live as you will meet like minded friends who are always helpful.

[jan44]

I popped into the records office (William Brown Street) and had a look at the marriage on microfilm for St Peter's (Church Street).

25th September 1883 John Holland bachelor age 20 occupation Photographer address Scotland Road, father William Holland - Photographer

Sarah Ann Langley spinster age 20 address Gt Crossall Street father William Langley - Labourer.

Witnesses: R Hinchcliffe Anne ?oling (looks like Boling.

After Banns.

[jan44]

Baptism Elizabeth Holland



Jan

[jan44]

Hi Northernlass1,

I think your grandparents married in Warrington 1901.

Free BMD

Marriages Dec 1901
Brown Joseph Warrington 8c 224
Holland Elizabeth Warrington 8c 224
Powell William Arthur Warrington 8c 224
Winstanley Elizabeth Ellen Warrington 8c 224

Jan

[Jennyb]

HI
I am from the Wirral Langley family, I would think yours are the same, they are market gardeners and still there now! William has been used as a name in just about every generation. I have a William born 1826 who married a Sarah as a 2nd marriage, I will check for you over the next few days and see if I can find a Sarah born for you. Just about every Langley born on the Wirral is related.
Jenny

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum. Thank you for your offer to help Northernlass, I hope she gets her notification that you have responded to this post as she hasn't replied since February, nor to other postings, fingers crossed.

[Tina]

Hello Jenny
It's great you have made the connection and have offered to help.
Welcome aboard