NORAH DAVIES - SYDNEY USHER

[simone]

they did have a daughter Jane Helen who died, so could she have been named after mum.. maybe the Helen bit

[dickiesam]

The plot thickens... again!

I now have serious doubts that the Harry Coventry I found in Neston is Norah's husband.

In the household where Harry is described as 'son - married' there's an Annie Coventry described as 'daughter - 20 - married'. But she must be a daughter-in-law' and since her age is so close to Harry's, she is his wife. I think!

DS

so maybe although Norah at marriage could she really be Annora and so known either as Annie or Nora

I know of an Annora known as Norah

too many derivations now

See my edited post above!

DS

[simone]

Could this Annie be Harry's sister would need to look into it further... we seem to be losing Norah et al now who knows where we'll end up

[simone]

Yes Norah was about 8 years older than Harry

[simone]

still don't think our Norah would marry Harry Coventry in March and the a couple of weeks later be showing on census with her 2 little kiddies, name of Davies, no sign of Harry, and John William listed with her albeit he is crossed out.

Still reckon this Norah married to Biggs/Coventry a red herring

Need to find another Norah or what ever her real name is

[Sue H]

Oh dear I am about to thro in another name


my baby book says that nans parents were
John Davies and Sara Davies and grandparents Honora and John Frederick Davies.

We know from the birth certificate for my nan that her mothers name was norah prendergast, so we know that sara is a fib, or is it who ended up being her mum.........cant wait to see the address the birth was registered at.

The grandparents Honora and John Frederick Davies were under my grandads side of the family in my book.........and we believed him to be either adopted or mother remarried to give names different to his Richard William Hughes

We now know this is untrue I found a huge family of Hughes and he was the missing brother. I am in contact with one of his family who confirmed that the address nan and grandad where married from is one of grandads family

So is it possible that Honora is nans grandmother, although why has she listed her mother as Sara instead of Norah is puzzling. Looking on the basis of what I have on the family tree of John William Davies women have left him left right and centre or he left them.

Also my sister said today, did I remember that nan always said she that some great great great grandmother was french.........to be honest I didnt throw this in to the mixture because well there are so many porkies going on what is the truth!!

Also if Norah (now coventry) left where did the girls go.

Another thing nan used to say was Grandads family disowned them because she had been a servant. She said grandads family had money (which my friend in the Hughes tree says he found no trace of, although they were a well respected and large family in bootle cum lineacre. Although the bit she told us about breeding dogs was true but not grandads father but his brother so not quiet true!!

[simone]

Also if Norah (now coventry) left where did the girls go.

Hi Sue

I really don't think Norah Coventry is yours. Norah married Mr Coventry on the 8 March 1911, and we have found your nan Sarah and her sister Norah on the census of 2 April 1911 living in Solway Street with their mum Norah Davies age 31

I reckon DS found the Coventry's in an earlier post, both showing as married but living separately, and right ages too

[simone]

What about


Nora Pendergast
Birth Date: abt 1882
Age: 17
Port of Departure:
Montreal, Quebec and Quebec, Quebec
Arrival Date:Sep 1899
Port of Arrival:Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Lake Ontario

[simone]

Nora Pendergast
Birth Date: abt 1882
Age: 17 Port of Departure:
New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 13 Oct 1899
Port of Arrival: Queenstown, Ireland
Ship Name: Campania

[simone]

who witnessed the marriage between Nora and Sydney Usher?

Simone x

[Sue H]

Simone

Norah and Sidney's marriage was witness by my nan and grandad

SHughes and R W Hughes (my nan and grandad) an JF Scott........I have no idea who they are


nans and grandads wedding was witnessed by John Ellis Hughes, grandads brother and Norah Davies........we think her sister

When liverpool rang me to say they could not find the right birth certificiate for Norah, they did query whether the Norah(sister) was infact the mother...but the certificate I was looking for was 23 April 1903 take off her death certificate details

[simone]

Hi Sue

when did Norah Usher die and who notified the death

John William and Norah's daughter Jane Helen, who died, was born 23 March 1903.. so how could they have Norah the next month
yikes informant must have had wrong birth date


Jane Helen Davies
Birth Date: 24 Mar 1903
Baptism Date: 16 Aug 1904
Parish: Edge Hill St Dunstan
Father's Name John William Davies
Mother's Name: Norah Davies

[Sue H]

I have not got a death certificate for Norah details where taken from records that we thought match her

DOB 23 April 1904
jul/aug/sept 1969
Age 65
liverpool north
10d
870

My sister and I have just been discussing this, she was in a Home in Old Swan, run by the nuns and we think she was terminally ill. We use to visit every week on sundays with my nan.

Have I been barking up the wrong tree!!!

[simone]

Hi

Just noticed that on the 1911 they state that they have had 5 children in total, 3 still living, 2 died... so where is the other one, as only Norah and Sarah on census with them

[Sue H]

There was someone else with in the Nans family called Jessie but we werent sure if she was nans sister or grandads...........but we have no real details to go on with her

[simone]

DOB 23 April 1904
jul/aug/sept 1969
Age 65
liverpool north
10d
870

Hi Sue yes this is the one I was thinking must be her...fits better doesn't it..over a year after Jane's birth

[Sue H]

Someone I think on here told me that Jessie Davies (grandaughter)was with Sara West Jones (nee Smart then Davies then Jones) and William Jones in toxteth in 1901..........Charles Davies and a John William Davies were her sons and these were the ones in the grave in Toxteth. Could she have stay with them

[simone]

Hi Sue

Going back to Alison's message on your first meassge you posted

Searching the 1911 Census index for any Davies living with a Sara West gives a Jessie May Davies b 1902. So it looks like the connection to Sara West Davies / Jones is correct

FamilySearch has an entry for the baptism of John William Davies, son of William and Sarah West on 26 May 1878 at St Nathaniels in Liverpool.

http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... ght=#89199

I have just found in 1902 her baptism under the parents names of John and Norah West

Jessie May West
Birth Date: 18 Dec 1901
Baptism Date: 5 Mar 1902
Parish:Liverpool St Saviour
Father's Name: John West
Mother's Name: Norah West




notice the Occupation Professional what?

so do we need to look for records in name of West also. Wonder if they used West to try and not arouse suspicion as he was married to Agnes still

[Sue H]

Proffesiional Dancer!!!!!!! thats on Nans marraige certificate!!

[Alison C]

Well spotted, Simone!

I'm not sure though that this John William Davies is the one who married Agnes Taylor as the age isn't correct. Their marriage gives his age in 1896 as 23 which implies he was born in 1873 not 1878.

However, his father William Davies was a plumber which does tie in with the occupation of the John William who married Agnes...maybe he was just a bit creative with his age!!