NORAH DAVIES - SYDNEY USHER

[Sue H]

Hi folks I am back again!!
Have now got auntie Norah's marriage certificate. She was married on the 24 July 1948 at the age of 44 and a spinster to Sydney Usher 41 Bachelor at St francis de sales church hale road walton. There were no children and Sydney died in about 1950. I dont know if this is the family home, Nan was married from a different address, which I have now found out was relatives of my grandad.

The interesting bit is she states father to be John william Davies, a Painter and Decorator and the address she resided in at time of marriage was 37 Hampden Street Walton. This is the same father as Sarah Davies my nan, only the occupation nan had was Proffessional Dancer. I know from nan's marriage certificate in 1926 their father was deceased.

I still can not find them anywhere, what am I doing wrong Would it be best to send for Nora's birth certificate, although mother not really known, would they be able to work from just fathers details. My nan has stated it was Sara or Sarah, but I cant be sure

Also Nora was a Health Visitor, would that be a qualified position in those days She always seemed to be well educated and not short of a bob or two, unlike Nan and Grandad. Although Nan also was well educated.

I have become so obsessed trying to find them I think I need to go back to the drawing board. Can any of you kind people help me solve this

[Blue70]

Hi Sue,

Are you sure about the middle name William in John William Davies? It's not Nelson is it? I found a John Nelson Davies & Maggie Davies living in Walton with a daughter called Norah. When was Norah's sister Sarah born?

Sydney Usher was buried at Ford Cemetery on 10 June 1950, age says 42, address was 67 Orrell Lane, Grave JL 412. Norah Usher died in 1969 aged 65, from her death registration her date of birth was 23 April 1904.


Blue

[MaryA]

While waiting for your answer to Blue's query I will just say that yes if you have found the references in the BMD index, you can apply to the GRO for the certificate. Giving the father's name would make it even more of a certainty, in case you have chosen the incorrect reference.

Alternatively if you don't have the reference, you could also ask the Liverpool Register Office, they would help if you gave them the name and adate, again the father's name would also be useful for reference checking.

This certificate will give you the mother's name rather than you needing to give it to the register office.

[Sue H]

Hi folks
The name John William Davies appears on both Norahs and Sarah's marriage cerificate. It also appears as John Davies in my baby book which was filled in weeks after my birth.

My baby book also includes the name of John Frederick and Honora Davies as possible Great-Great Grandparents

Yes we have Nora's birthday as 23 April 1904
Sara(H) Davies we have off her death cerificate also as 7th April 1908...we have gone with this date as surely this would fit in with her pension details.

On Sarah (my nan and grandads) marriage certificate she states in 1926 she was 21!! which would make her birthday in 1905. I have been told as identification for marriage in 1926 was not asked for she could have lied but not sure.

I have found a John Frederick and Honora from Ireland, but once again cant trace they had a son called John


The lesson here is while loved ones are alive ask ask ask!!!!

[Sue H]

Hi All

Have now sent for Norah's and Sarah's birth certificates, with the name of father John William Davies..........so fingers and toes and anything else thats crossable crossed!!

Merry Christmas to you all

[simone]

Hi Sue

Just throwing this in the mix... but roll on getting the birth certs to find out mum's name



Simone x

[Sue H]

OMG could this be it!!! I do hope so, will try the details with what I have

Thank you so much

[Alison C]

Interestingly, there is another marriage entry on FreeBMD for Agnes Longley Taylor in Q4 1900 to William Watson Gurney. The marriage is also on FamilySearch which confirms here father's name as William Taylor.

However, there is no sign of the death of a John William Davies of the right age between 1897 and 1900...nor any sign of a divorce

[Sue H]

Well cat among the pidgeons now!!

Nans birth certificate, lady rung from Liverpool to say found Nans certificate but not Norahs. The details I gave them for Norah didnt have the right father details!!!!

7th april 1908 Sara Davies, Father John William Davies, Mother Norah Prendegast!! The address was a West Derby address, but she couldnt give me it over the phone so I will have to wait

Now I am really stuck who the heck where they!!!

[simone]

Norah Prendergast married Edward A Biggs at Holy Trinty, Wavertree in 1901, she was 21. she is on previous census b c 1880, if it is same one living in Bebington in 1901 with Mr Biggs at same address
RG13; Piece: 3383; Folio: 80; Page: 25
with parents James and Jane in 1890, Liverpool
RG12; Piece: 2924; Folio 123; Page 42

got to pop out now.. sorry no time to post images... back later


Simone x

[simone]

Norah Biggs, widow, marries Harry Coventry in 1911..

must be acoincidence this Norah, and surely not the right one

Simone x

[simone]

16 aug 1904 Edge Hill, St Dunstan
born 24 Mar 1903

[simone]

there is a death in 1907 of Norah Davies age 3.. wonder if this is the birth you sent for

[simone]

Death
Jane Helen Davies
Estimated Birth Year abt 1903
Date of Registration:
Jul-Aug-Sep 1904
Age at Death: 1
Registration district:
West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 503

[simone]

1911 RG14; Piece: 22272
88 Solway St, Toxteth Park
John William 38 Painter John is crossed out with comment 'travelling'
Norah Darius 1 machinist age 31 own making, employer
Norah Darius 7
Sarah Darius 3
Margaret Taylor 20
Edward Taylor 17
Alfred Taylor 13
Martha Taylor 9

all born Liverpool

a note has also been made at foot of page

John William Davies- travelling - is this correct
was he here that night (NO)

Norah has signed the sheet... ( 5 Rooms)

relevant corrections sent to Anc* for name and age

not sure if Taylors connected or just boarding
they are children of Robert b c 1862, and Margaret Taylor nee Dolan, b c 1854.have found them on census but no obvious connection yet.


Simone x

[Sue H]

Well this certainly looks like them!!!! My nans birth certificate put her mothers name as sarah prendergast.........so I presume it isnt the one found here!

Will have to call it a night now, but will try again in morning.

Many many thanks, I do hope this is the right one!!!

[simone]

Hi Sue

you said in a previous post that the birth cert named mum as Norah Prendegast, not Sarah... can you just confirm which it says

if you think about it Sarah and Norah aren't so far apart are they,, just 2 letters at the beginning wonder if there has been some confusion with handwriting in the past

Thanks

Simone x

[simone]

funny isn't it

John William Davies, painter married Agnes Longley Taylor in 1896...Her father William is traveller... and John William is travelling in 1911. Also
Taylor family with them in 1911

coincidence maybe but all looks a bit suspect too

[Sue H]

Couldnt sleep so back to this

Yes Mum is Norah Prendegast not sarah............and yes the Tayor family is with them.............what on earth is going on

[simone]

what indeed

wonder if it is the right John who married Agnes in 1896, and then maybe they split up .He met Norah, but they never married.

she then married William Watson Gurney in 1901... John is missing in 1911.. wonder where he went

Norah Prendegast who married Mr Biggs in 1901 remarried on 8 March 1911 to Mr Coventry. The census was taken on 2 April, so think we can rule this lady out of the equation

time for sleep

Simone x