Trying to trace my Great Grandfather - Patrick Daley

Post by **JoeD** » 13 Dec 2011 23:49

Hi, my name is Joseph Dal(e)y, born and bred in Liverpool. My father was Bernard Daley, born in Liverpool 28/9/1901 and died 24/5/1973. His father was Edward Daly, yes we get the surname with the 'e' or without, he was born about 1857, we believe in Ireland where for definite?, he died 12/4/1909. On the wedding cert of my grandfather and grandmother, Sarah Griffin, on 8/9/1884 it shows his father as being a Patrick Daley with an occupation of Labourer.

It is assumed that he was also from Ireland but to date I have hit a brick wall trying to find any records. As I live in Florida it is even more difficult, and expensive, to try and establish a connection. Quite honestly I don't know where to turn......help!

If anybody out there can give me some guidance, it would be greatly appreciated.

Post by **Blue70** » 14 Dec 2011 01:23

Hi Joe,

Welcome to the forum. What census records have you found so far?

This could be their first appearance in Liverpool:-

1861 Census

9/27 Square, Charter Street, Liverpool

Patrick Daily, 45, Ireland, Dock Labourer
Catherine Daily, 40, Ireland
Barney Daily, 20, Ireland, Corn Porter
Bridget Daily, 18, Ireland, Feather Dresser
Patrick Daily, 10, Ireland
Edward Daily, 8, Ireland

If anyone is wondering about a Daley & Griffin marriage Sarah was a widow when she married Edward and her married name was Jones. The marriage is on Family Search showing the bride and groom's fathers' names.

Blue

Post by **MaryA** » 14 Dec 2011 10:45

Hi and welcome to the forum.

Blue's entry looks to be a good one. The difficulty with those who immigrated from Ireland is that not many of them gave the specific place they came from. I would encourage you to check the area they were living at each census and see whether there was one particular county the majority of neighbours came from as often our ancestors would arrive and settle near to friends/relations who had arrived before them.

When you need certificates, if you have the reference from the index, order from www.gro.gov.uk which doesn't cost any more than if you were in England.

Post by **Blue70** » 14 Dec 2011 10:56

Hi Joe

This is your father's baptism record from St Augustine's RC church it used to be in Great Howard Street it's down now. The date of birth differs from the one you posted. The godparents may be useful in locating other family members on the census records:-

Blue

Post by **Blue70** » 14 Dec 2011 12:11

This is Edward and Sarah's family on the 1901 Census:-

1901 Census

58 Dublin Street Liverpool

Ed Daley, 50, Head, Dock Labourer, Ireland
Sarah Daley, 45, Wife, Liverpool
William J Jones, 28, Step Son, Dock Labourer, Liverpool
Sarah Ann Jones, 26, Step Daughter, Liverpool
Mary A Daley, 16, Daughter, Liverpool
Thomas J Daley, 14, Son, Liverpool
Esther Daley, 12, Daughter, Liverpool
Rose A Daley, 8, Daughter, Liverpool
Edward Daley, 6, Son, Liverpool

There's a possible match for Edward Daley on the 1881 Census in Bootle:-

1881 Census

16 Mann Street Bootle

Mary Shavlin (Head), 60, Housekeeper, Armagh Ireland
Ann Burns (Daughter), 35, Armagh Ireland
Barnet Burns (Son), 16, Plymouth Devon
Edward Daley (Boarder), 28, Labourer, Monaghan Ireland
Thomas McCabe (Boarder), 22, Seaman, Louth Ireland
Michael Grant (Boarder), 21, Labourer, Armagh Ireland
James O'Hare (Boarder), 24, Seaman, Armagh Ireland
John Paterson (Boarder), 29, Labourer, Armagh Ireland

By this time the two eldest children of the 1861 Census family had married (in the early 1860s at St Anthony's church) there is no sign of Edward so that makes the Bootle Edward an even better match and the father Patrick had died. The family is living in the Bevington Bush area where Edward's first few children were baptised before they moved to Great Howard Street. The 1881 Census shows Catherine as a widow with son Patrick:-

1881 Census

4/6 Court Limekiln Lane Liverpool

Catherine Daley (Widow), 60, Ireland
Patrick Daley (Son), 30, Labourer, Ireland

Blue

Post by **Blue70** » 15 Dec 2011 01:53

The census records for the possible matches for your family members only give the birthplace as Ireland apart from the Edward Daley from County Monaghan so it's been difficult to tie all these family members together.

The name Bernard or Barney is in the 1861 family and was your father's name that makes me more confident that it is your family. Also the fact that Edward is not with his mother and brother on the 1881 Census and not yet married makes it likely he would be living as a boarder.

I had a look on the Roots Ireland website but nothing matched satisfactorily for any county although their records are far from being complete. It can be very difficult to find out the Irish county but at least you have one possible match that includes a county name.

There was a Patrick Daley buried at Ford Cemetery on 10 Feb 1879 who died in the Liverpool Workhouse (probably the hospital part) who is a possible match for your Patrick. Here is the death registration:-

Name: Patrick Daley
Quarter: Jan/Feb/Mar
Year: 1879
District: Liverpool
Age: 67
Volume: 8b
Page: 156

Blue

Post by **MaryA** » 19 Dec 2011 15:16

I hope Joe calls in soon to see the wonderful research you have done on his behalf.

Post by **Blue70** » 21 Dec 2011 14:45

Joe has now viewed the thread and expressed his thanks for the help received. The information ties in with his own research. The problem now is finding his family on the Irish records in County Monaghan. It's difficult to go back further when resources are limited or incomplete.

Blue