LYONS family, West Derby

Post by **jasp2003** » 17 Nov 2011 18:43

Hi,

Im hoping someone can help. I have been trying to research my grandfathers family tree but without any luck. My grandfather never spoke about his family so am very keen to find out what I can about his family.
My grandfather William Lyons was born in November 2011 in West Derby Lancashire. We know that his father was also called William Lyons and was born in 1883 (liverpool/west derby). When my grandfather was alive he never spoke of his family but from my research I have found out that he had 3 Uncles and 4 Aunts all born in Liverpool/West Derby. Their names were: Thomas 1885, Maria 1887, Denis 1889, Kate (Mary) 1891, Lucy 1893/4, Edward 1895/6 and Margaret 1898. I have managed to go a bit further back and I know who their parents were and their aunts and uncles. One aunt being married to the 1st mayor of Grand Saline Texas but that is all I can find.
I would really like to know (and so would my mother) what happened to my grandfathers aunts and uncles. From the 1911 census i know that their parents william and maria lyons had both passed away (confirmed with the death register) and that they were living at 66 Granton Road, Everton, Liverpool, West Derby. Hea of the household was the older brother Thomas. Denis is nt at home but I am unable to find him anywhere else in the UK also so maybe he went abroad?! Since then I have been unable to find any marriage or deaths for any of the 3 uncles and 4 aunts.

Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks

Post by **daggers** » 17 Nov 2011 18:46

Quote: My grandfather William Lyons was born in November 2011

We've all done it! Try again...

By the way, welcome to the forum where you will get much help.
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Post by **jasp2003** » 17 Nov 2011 19:08

Haha, thats what u get for not thinking typing too fast and trying to watch kids at the same time. it shouldnt even have been 11, it shoudl have said 1910!

Post by **erika** » 17 Nov 2011 19:22

So far I have found deaths in WW1 for

Thomas Lyons b. Liverpool, lived, Everton Liverpool
KIA 16th May 1915 France & Flanders
King's 5th Battalion
No. 1615

and

Edward Lyons b. Liverpool
KIA 10th March 1915 France & Flanders
Private 1st Battalion King's
No. 11181

I looked in 1914 Directory Liverpool and found

Denis Lyons carter 2 East Street Waterloo
Thomas Lyons foreman 1 Sunnyside Moreton Cheshire
Thomas Lyons mariner 3 Tudor Street Bootle

Not sure if any of these are yours, but it's a start

Cheers
Erika

Post by **MaryA** » 17 Nov 2011 19:49

Hi and welcome to the forum.

Denis Lyons carter 2 East Street Waterloo

Sorry Erika, this one was born London Westminster and was born about 1877, so the wrong one.

Post by **erika** » 17 Nov 2011 20:18

Well spotted Mary

The same 1914 Directory has William Lyons at 66 Granton Road, he must have been the eldest brother, b 1883

Pity it doesn't list other family members only the head.

Cheers
Erika

Post by **jasp2003** » 17 Nov 2011 20:19

thanks for all your help. yes erika that would b their older brother William, my grandfathers father.

Post by **Hilary** » 17 Nov 2011 20:44

On www.lancashirebmd.org.uk there's a Lucy Lyons marrying Richard O Jones at Walton St Mary in 1922

A Maria Lyons married Charles Mclean at St Cuthbert Everton in 1922.

Totally irrelevant but I thought Granton Street was familiar Grandad lived at 181 in 1891.

Post by **jasp2003** » 17 Nov 2011 20:49

thanks, yes i had noticed those marriages as possibilities. If that is them i cant find any children for them so i guess that could explain why we never heard about them.

Post by **erika** » 17 Nov 2011 20:56

Have also found a baptism for a Denis Lyons, was mother Maria's maiden name Sheridan?
Born 5th Dec 1888, baptised 25th Dec 1888 at Our Lady of Immaculate Conception.

Not really relevant, but maybe something

There was also a death for Denis Lyons in 1955, but that could be the one I found originally that Mary said was born in London

Cheers
Erika

Post by **jasp2003** » 17 Nov 2011 21:16

Hi erika,
yes thats him, their mothers maiden name was sheridan. where ru finidng all this info??
I wonder where he disappeared to then after the 1901 census as i cant find him anywhere.

Post by **erika** » 17 Nov 2011 21:25

These records are all on Ancestry, do you have a sub for them?
I have found also a baptism for Thomas and Maria. If you want those dates I'll post them.

Cheers
Erika

Post by **jasp2003** » 17 Nov 2011 21:27

YES PLEASE. X

Post by **erika** » 17 Nov 2011 21:38

Maria Lyons b. 2 July 1886, bap 22nd July 1886 at Our Lady of Immaculate Conception

Thomas Lyons b. 22nd Sept 1884 bap 12th Oct 1884 at St Josephs

William Lyons b. 9th Dec 1882 bap 7th Jan 1883 at Sacred Heart

Will see if there are anymore

Cheers
Erika

Post by **jasp2003** » 17 Nov 2011 21:42

thanks very much, i really appreciate your help.
i do wish i could find out what happened to them all somehow though!

Post by **erika** » 17 Nov 2011 21:56

Lucy Lyons b. 17 Nov 1892 bap 30 Nov 1892 at Our Lady of Immaculate Conception

Edward Lyons b. 14 Dec 1894 bap 26th Nov 1895 at St Anthony's

Maria Catherine b. 12th Mar 1890 bap 23 Mar 1890 at Our Lady of Immaculate Conception

Couldn't find a Margaret tho'

Cheers
Erika

Post by **jasp2003** » 17 Nov 2011 22:07

thanks for all that, much appreciated.
I just need to find out what happened to them all now!!

Post by **Hilary** » 17 Nov 2011 22:24

There's death registered in Liverpool North in 1955 for a Denis Lyons born abt 1889.

Post by **erika** » 17 Nov 2011 22:38

Following on from the marriage Hilary found for Maria there was a birth registered in Dec qtr 1923 in West Derby for a Maria D McLean
There are also a lot of Jones/Lyons births too

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
Have a look on this website

Cheers
Erika

Post by **jasp2003** » 17 Nov 2011 22:46

yes thanks, I've just been looking at thos marriages and the Maria Lyons to a Mclean does look likely with them having a child in 1923 who then appears to marry a george cumby in 1947 liverpool north. I may have to order the marriage certificate for the 1922 marriage to confirm.