National Burial Index

Post by **5anderson** » 15 Nov 2011 16:18

If someone has access to the NBI can I get a look up on a Mary (nee McMillian) Parry (1835-1902)

Post by **MaryA** » 16 Nov 2011 13:53

This is very difficult without a place. The nearest I can see buried in 1902 are Manchester Withington Workhouse born 1840, or one of a similar age in West Didsbury Workhouse. Any others are in other counties. Sorry not to have been of more help.

Post by **5anderson** » 16 Nov 2011 14:10

Thanks for the answer. I am at a brick wall. I can not find this person after the 1891 Census (RG12; Piece: 2980; Folio 58; Page 14; GSU roll: 6098090) I suspect that she may of remarried and moved to Staffordshire. She had a grandson born in Staffordshire and that is strange since all of his siblings were born in Leeds. I am trying to piece together why the grandson was born so far away and also Mary was originally from Knighton, then to Worcester then to Liverpool and disappears after the 1891 Census.

Post by **MaryA** » 16 Nov 2011 14:25

To assist anybody else trying to help, this is the 1891 census
19 Sedley Street, Walton on the Hill
Henry J Parry Head M 30 Cotton Warehouseman Worcester Worcestershire
Charles E brother S 27 " " "
Annie M sister S 19 Dressmaker Liverpool Lancashire
Violet Sandred? Boarder 2 " "
Mary Parry Mother Widow 55 Radnorshire, Knighton

Post by **dickiesam** » 16 Nov 2011 14:46

When and where did Mary McMillan marry Mr ? Parry and did she have a second forename?

DS

Post by **5anderson** » 16 Nov 2011 15:01

she married in Worcester prior to 1860. Cannot find a certificate for her. I have found her brothers certificate in 1861 in Worcester. I have the children's BCs. They were shop owners in Worcester. They moved to Liverpool area and are on the 1871 Census. In 1881 Mary is widowed and moves to Leeds, but states on the Census that she is married. She returns to Liverpool for the 1891 Census. I have had real difficulty with the records in this area. I was in Liverpool three years ago to do this research but I was involved in an accident and spent time in hospital and was unable to do any research. Little hard to come back since I live in the USA. I have her Baptismal entry from St. Barnabas church in Knighton, I have her Mother's marriage info and Death Certificate at the Walton Workhouse. Which I believe was also an infirmary at the time (1865) I belive her husband might have died in the same Workhouse. I have all Census data from 1841 - through 1891 on her and then she disappears.

Post by **simone** » 16 Nov 2011 15:06

Hi

sis in 1899 marrying

PARRY Annie M
ELSTON Richard H
Toxteth Park, Register Office or Registrar Attended
Liverpool

from Lancs BMD

Simone x

Post by **simone** » 16 Nov 2011 15:09

forget that one

this Annie born Ireland

1901 RG13; Piece: 3429; Folio: 139; Page: 24
Richard H Elston 27
Annie M Elston 25
William S Elston 5 Months

sorry

Post by **5anderson** » 16 Nov 2011 15:10

That is possibly her daughter

Post by **5anderson** » 16 Nov 2011 15:12

Is there a Census from the Walton-on-the-hill Workhouse for 1901? Since her mother died there and possibly her husband could she not have been infirmed there for the 1901 Census?

Post by **simone** » 16 Nov 2011 15:22

Hi

what was her husband's christian name? can you point the family out to us on a previous census

Simone x

Post by **simone** » 16 Nov 2011 15:28

Think this may be her in 1901

with son Charles

RG13; Piece: 3456; Folio: 113; Page: 5

Charles E Parry 38 cotton porter b Worcestershire
Mary H Parry 30 b Liverpool
Ann Parry 7 b Liverpool
Henryetta H Parry 1 b liverpool
Ann M Parry 67 mother, widow, born Worcestershire

Simone x

Post by **simone** » 16 Nov 2011 15:32

marriage for son Charles
1894 JUN Q
PARRY Charles E
HARRISON Mary E
Kirkdale, St. Mary
Liverpool
2013WD/15/395

Post by **5anderson** » 16 Nov 2011 15:41

Mary McMillian was born in Knighton, Wales, Baptised at St. Barnabas church in 1835. I have the Church entry.

Her husband William Robert Parry was born in Talyllyn, Wales and Baptised at St. Mary's Church in 1833, I have that church entry also.

Mary and William Robert's first children were born in Worcester. They were baptized at a non-conformist church. Angel Street Non-Conformist. If Mary and William were married there then there would be no record according to the people in Worcester. They (Angel St.) did not keep records of marriages only baptismals.

1861: RG9; Piece: 2090; Folio: 65; Page: 12; GSU roll: 542916
1871: RG10; Piece: 3842; Folio: 61; Page: 3; GSU roll: 841925
1881: RG11; Piece: 4529; Folio: 113; Page: 33; GSU roll: 1342089
1891: RG12; Piece: 2980; Folio 58; Page 14; GSU roll: 6098090

Post by **5anderson** » 16 Nov 2011 15:46

That is her living with Charles Edwin:

RG13; Piece: 3456; Folio: 113; Page: 5

But she is listed in all the Census as Mary McMillian or Parry. Her daughter was Annie Marie Parry so perhaps the Census taker got it wrong.

Post by **5anderson** » 16 Nov 2011 15:55

I have Charles Edwin widowed and living with his daughter only in the 1911 Census.

12 Halleville Road, Beacombe, Cheshire.

Post by **dickiesam** » 16 Nov 2011 16:57

They were baptized at a non-conformist church. Angel Street Non-Conformist. If Mary and William were married there then there would be no record according to the people in Worcester. They (Angel St.) did not keep records of marriages only baptismals.

Hi,
Irrespective of whether the church kept marriage records or not a marriage was bound by law to be registered at the nearest Registry Office. So if they did actually marry there would be an entry in the Marriage Index at the GRO.

I am sure I have encountered this family before.

William Robert Parry was born, according to the 1871 census, in the village of Corris which is in the parish of Tallyllyn. His name and his outfitter's shop in Worcester [1861], have stuck with me because my wife is from Corris and we lived there before moving to Ireland.

DS

Post by **5anderson** » 16 Nov 2011 17:01

I understand the law thing but when I contacted the Worcester office they told me that no records were kept for the Angel Street NC Church only the Baptisms, and though it was a law some people did not register.

Post by **MaryA** » 16 Nov 2011 18:56

I think it unlikely that the marriage wasn't officially registered - not by the church but by the Registrar and forwarded to the GRO. It is more likely that there never was a marriage, it wouldn't have been unusual.

You keep spelling Mary's name McMillian, presumably you have this from a birth certificate - how many certificates have this spelling? or was it a typo?

Post by **5anderson** » 16 Nov 2011 19:13

The spelling was changed in all the Census records and that is understandable. I have the spelling from the baptismal resgistry of her and her brother, also I have her parents marriage entry in 1833. I have her father's headstone in St. Barnabus Cemetery and it is also the spelling in the Worcester 1860 Post Directory

Worcestershire > 1860 Post Office Directory > 140

"McMillian & Parry, hatters & hosiers, 60 High Street"

I have her brother's BC in Worcester in 1861. I have all her children's certificates with the same spelling.

I really am having a hard time thinking that it was lost someplace, She lived with her mother and the business was her brother and my 3x grandfather. She seemed to have done everything correct. The childrens BCs state formerly McMillian