WW1 Medal Index Card query for out Military Buffs

[42aitch]

Looking for G. Schorah who is on Litherland Civic Memorial and St. Elizabeth's Litherland. Found this on Anc....

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The date of death 23/7/16 is on St. Elizabeth's for G. Schorah.

James Collins is on CWGC and FMP Military with Reg and S.No identical. On FMP he was Born and resided Liverpool and enlisted Southampton.

Can any of our Military Buffs explain why he has not been listed again, maybe as an alias on CWGC?[/img]

[daggers]

If you can find his service records on Ancestry you may find confirmation that he enlisted under a false name - far from rare. Sadly 2/3 records were burned in the WW2 blitz as you probably know.
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[42aitch]

I haven't had any luck with service records in either name, hence the query! I don't understand what the CRV and NU/1/1167 etc on the card mean or the W776/Bd/29. Seems to have been reissued as Schorah but no mention on CWGC.

These cards are a real riddle to me, not being military minded. Family History and census returns are OK I can understand them.

Eileen

[daggers]

I believe those letters and numbers are references to correspondence or internal notes which will not now exist.
Sorry I can't throw any more light.
D

[dickiesam]

The only male 'local' G Schorah that shows up in the 19** is this one...
Births Sep 1899: Schorah, George Joseph - Liverpool - 8b - 9.

Parents:
Marriages Jun 1893 - Liverpool - 8b - 87: Hunter, Margaret and Schorah, James Joseph.

1901:
SCHORAH, James - Head - Married - 26 - General Carter - Lpool.
SCHORAH, Margaret - Wife - 24 - Lpool.
SCHORAH, Frances - Dtr - 6 - Lpool.
SCHORAH, Hannah - Dtr - 3 - Lpool.
SCHORAH, George - Son - 1 - Lpool.
SCHORAH, John - Son - (1 MOS) - Lpool.
HIBBOTSON, Thomas - Boarder - U/m - 79 - Tin Plate Cleaner - Lpool.
Address: 24 Cazneau Street, Liverpool.
RG13 - Piece:3407 - Folio:32 - Page:56

He was barely 17 when he died so probably used the James Collins alias when he enlisted at 16 if he thought the recruiters had a means of checking for his DoB. The alias was probably discovered a while after his death and as Daggers says there would be internal memos etc, and letters exchanged to sort out the situation and have his record card reissued.

DS

[steviebyday]

looks like the medals were reissued certified reciept voucher 2/12/1922. issue voucher 19/12/1929. the rest is all adminitive numbers and are probibly long gone.

[42aitch]

Thanks for your input Daggers, Dickiesam and Steviebyday,

I have received information that his family name was James Collins and that he had joined up whilst underage, so this is the reason that he is down as G. Schorah. The family were at Beechwood Road, Litherland, but I haven't been told what date they were there but it does give Litherland so I can add this information to the biography for this soldier.

I had found that 1901 Census and as I know that a Schorah family attended St. Elizabeth's school when I was there I was hoping to find the link. He is down on St Elizabeth's memorial and Litherland Civic as G Schorah not J. or James Collins. There is also an index card for James Collins with the identical information on Reg. and S.No.

Eileen

[Katie]

I know this is a old post put I have this information.

This Soldier was registered as George Schorah

Births Mar 1894 (>99%)
Schorah George W. Derby 8b 246

Source Freebmd

The following entry appeared in my database of wounded that I am compiling.

Devonshire Regiment
Private
James
20417
Collins
Liverpool
Wounded

So his Alias was: see below

Devonshire Regiment
Collins
20417
James
Private
Liverpool
23rd July 1916
Died of Wounds
SEE: George Schorah

Devonshire Regiment
Schorah
20417
George
Private
Liverpool
23rd July 1916
Died of Wounds
SEE: James Collins

I know this is quite a time after your original posting but hope it helps.

[MaryA]

Amazing how names stick in your mind isn't it, it rang bells with me too but obviously your database has come up trumps again Katie.

[Katie]

I'll have to do a bit more digging on this as there is a George Schorah born Nov 1893 baptised at All Souls, Collingwood Street. Parents are George and Frances Schorah (Nee Lynch) can't locate him on the 1901 census.

In 1911 there is a George Schoarh born 1894 listed as a boarder with a Benjamin Hopley

Also on the 1901 Census there is a George Schorah who is the son of Josiah and Jane Schorah (nee Cain)

Piece: 3482
Folio: 27
Page Number: 46

Cant find a baptism for him.

I need to do some digging on this.

[tsumi]

Hi All,
I have in my family tree the Schorah family and it is one of my numerous brick walls, what happened to George Schorah ,born November 13,1893,bap,All Souls Church ,November 26,1893,parents George Schorah.
I can add I have been searching on and off for a number of years but
cannot add any more to what you have uncovered
Cheers Tsumi

[Katie]

There seems to be a big Puzzle with this family. Some of the children were baptised Catholic and some C of E. I was unable to locate a marriage for A George Schorah to a Frances Lynch. I did find a marriage of a

George Anthony Schorah to a Frances Quinn Sept qtr 1873.

There was also another child baptised 1891 of a Mary Schorah daughter of George and Frances Schorah (nee Lynch) at St. Joseph's

In 1911 residing with Benjamin Hopley are

John Schoarh aged 15
George Schoarh aged 16
Tim Schoarh aged 11
Fanny aged 10

1901 Census 22, Cazenau Street

George Scorah aged 46
Fanny Scorah aged 45
Hanny aged 12 (Hannah)
Mary aged 9

I'll have to come back to this.

[tsumi]

It is more of a puzzle later on in the 1900,s with some of the Frances Schorah,s one of which married my Grandmothers brother.

Tsumi

[Katie]

I have been able to rule out the George Joseph Schorah born 1899 as being Killed in WW1 as he got married in 1920.

June qtr 1920

George Joseph Schorah West Derby 8b 898
Helena Bainbridge West Derby 8b 898

I checked the 1916/1917 Gores directory for Beechwood Road, Bootle and there are no Schorah/Collins listed there.

Also checked Roll of Honour notices to see if the family place a announcement non published.

[dickiesam]

It seems that the George Joseph Schorah who married Helena Bainbridge died in 1978,
apart from a spelling mistake probably by whoever was the informant...

Death: SCORAH, George Joseph
Registration district: Liverpool
Year of registration: 1978; Dec qtr
Date of Birth: 4 July 1899
Volume no: 36; Page no: 0371