Zion Free Gospel Chapel

Post by **MaryA** » 08 Oct 2011 21:14

Still looking at googlemaps to see what is there now and there seems to be a big tree

and an Elizabeth Street.

Post by **dickiesam** » 08 Oct 2011 22:30

I believe that space to be occupied by the landscaping adjacent to the Sherrington Building, part of Liverpool Uni..

Sherrington Building:
The Sherrington Building houses two lecture theatres with seating capacities of 586 and 238. Audio-visual aids are incorporated into a state-of-the-art system within each lecture theatre. A café is situated on the ground floor of the building.

DS

Post by **Blue70** » 09 Oct 2011 12:19

This LHP map shows "Pembroke Baptist Chapel" near to that location so I'm going to stick with my Marmaduke Street chapel theory

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http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co. ... z/np79.htm

Blue

Post by **dickiesam** » 09 Oct 2011 13:49

Hi Blue,
Now I have seen that map it is hardly likely there were 2 chapels across the road from one another, so I am going with the location on the opposite corner on the other side of Crown Street, between West Derby Street and Crown Street.

DS

Post by **Blue70** » 09 Oct 2011 13:57

Pembroke Baptist Chapel - No!
Marmaduke Street Edge Hill - Yes!

Blue

Post by **dickiesam** » 09 Oct 2011 14:08

Blue70 wrote:

Pembroke Baptist Chapel - No!
Marmaduke Street Edge Hill - Yes!

Blue

But would Zion Free Gospel Methodists attend a Congregational Chapel? I was married in a Salem Baptist Chapel and we had quite a job persuading non-Baptist [but C of E of sorts never-the-less] guests to attend the ceremony, and that was 3/4s of a century later.

DS

Post by **Blue70** » 09 Oct 2011 19:47

Hi DS

You inspired me to do another search and here's another twist to this one. There was a church called United Free Gospel Church on Elizabeth Street not far from your Pembroke/Crown Street location. The map for this location appears to be pointing at the same place as your map:-

http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/church ... AN,ID=2560

Both maps appear to be pointing at the wrong place. If you look at the LHP map there are two little chapels at the southern end of Elizabeth Street one of them must be the United Free Gospel Church. Could this be the one we've been searching for?

http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co. ... z/np79.htm

Blue

Post by **dickiesam** » 09 Oct 2011 20:47

Hi Blue,
The Genuki map shows the United Free Gospel Church as #1 Elizabeth Street, which would put it under the Sherrington Building. That's within yards of the map I posted.

The other map with the two chapels at the other end of the street look quite redeveloped on Google E.

Talk about chapels, chapels everywhere......

What is the theological difference between the United Free Gospel Church and the Zion Free Gospel Chapel? Anyone an expert on them old-time-religions...?

DS

PS: Noticed you have an interest in the McGuinness name. Not a Thomas McGuinness born about 1848 in Swords, County Dublin, Ireland by any chance?

Post by **Blue70** » 10 Oct 2011 10:52

Hi DS

My McGuinness people were from County Cavan. My Great, Great, Great, Great Grandmother was born Bridget McGuinness. She married Michael Brady and the family came over to Liverpool at the time of the famine. First record of them in Liverpool is 1848. They had a relation called Michael McGuinness who lived in Raymond Street. The family lived off Scottie Road, Vauxhall Road & Great Howard Street.

Blue

Post by **dickiesam** » 10 Oct 2011 11:36

Blue70 wrote:Hi DS

My McGuinness people were from County Cavan. My Great, Great, Great, Great Grandmother was born Bridget McGuinness. She married Michael Brady and the family came over to Liverpool at the time of the famine. First record of them in Liverpool is 1848. They had a relation called Michael McGuinness who lived in Raymond Street. The family lived off Scottie Road, Vauxhall Road & Great Howard Street.
Blue

Thanks for that Blue. The McGuinness I am looking at was born in Swords, north County Dublin, about 1848. It was a passing thought.

DS

Post by **marky** » 12 Oct 2011 00:14

There was a "Zion Chapel (Methodist)" in Elizabeth Street (near Brownlow Hill). A later map shows "Chapel (Free Gospel Church)" with "Zion Sunday School" next-door. Checking both maps, the Sunday school appears to cover the same location as the Zion Chapel (Methodist).
(source: old-maps.co.uk)

Post by **Blue70** » 12 Oct 2011 10:53

Thanks Marky that additional information confirms that Zion is one of the two little red squares at the southern end of Elizabeth Street on the LHP map.

Blue

Post by **marky** » 12 Oct 2011 15:15

The two red squares on this map represent Salem Independent Chapel (corner of Brownlow Hill/Elizabeth St) and Zion Chapel (Methodist) on Elizabeth St. almost opposite Sun St. junction.
http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co. ... z/np79.htm

Post by **Blue70** » 12 Oct 2011 17:06

Thanks Marky. Here is the map with the exact location identified by the name Zion:-

http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq33/Colgeor2/ZC.jpg

Blue