WILLIAM CUMMINGS

[homepridefred]

The plot thickens

The GRO have just sent me a birth cert for William Cummins who has a father called Thomas born in Ireland who is a Corn Porter.

This William has a second name of Jeffry, however William does dot appear on the 1861 Census, although Thomas and his wife does and younger children. But NO WILLIAM ???? Did this one die ?

I am still NOT convinced that this is my William.

I am Happy that Beatrice is my Gr Aunt and I know I have the right family, it is just this WILLAM that is stopping me move back.

Will I be able to get Naval records without a date of birth< or date of joining. We know he died in 1927 at 71yrs, so must of drawn his pension to that date in Plymouth.

What does anybody think ???

It's NOT this difficult when they do it on the TV in Heir Hunters or Who do you think you are !!!!

Homepride Fred

[MaryA]

Heirhunters and Who Do You Think You Are do a lot of their investigative work behind the scenes, it wouldn't do for them to give away their secrets would it

Regarding the birth certificate you have just received - I thought you had confirmed that this family was yours.

1891 Plymouth
RG12; Piece: 1729; Folio 29; Page 51

William Cummings 33 b Liverpool Coal Porter
Elizabeth Cummings 32
William Cummings 11
Alfred Cummings 9
Fanny Cummings 7
Berty Cummings 5
Beatrice Cummings 2
Henry Cummings 6 Months

If so, then did you not ask for the Certificate only if the parents were William & Elizabeth - if you did and they sent you one with the father Thomas, then I think you should get back in touch with them and advise that they have sent the incorrect cert.

I am Happy that Beatrice is my Gr Aunt and I know I have the right family

Are we then assuming that Beatrice and William have the same parents - so would the details on her birth certificate give the information that you need?

[homepridefred]

Hi Mary A

Thomas is the father of William Snr who married Elizabeth Giles

William and Eliz had 10 children incl, Wm Jnr, Beatrice and my grandfather Henry.

It is wm Snr's birth cert I am after. Born Liverpool, circa 1855 to 1859, Married Eliz Giles Plymouth, Died 1927 Plymouth 71 yrs, Father Thomas born Ireland.

Death cert says middle name Mundle, birth cert sent by GRO says middle name Jeffrey ?????

Homepridefred

[MaryA]

OK let me explain why I was interested in Beatrice's birth certificate.

When you first posted you thought

My William Cummings born in Liverpool Circa 1855 to 60, married Elizabeth ( maybe nee Fitzgerald / Irish ), then moved to Plymouth.

We do not know where you got the idea from that Elizabeth's name was Fitzgerald but once Elizabeth Giles was suggested you said

The marriage to Elizabeth Giles makes sense.

but again seemingly without evidence for this assumption.

It certainly is likely but what if your William actually did marry Elizabeth Fitzgerald? His father's name might not be Thomas as you are looking for.

Both Dickiesame and myself have asked for the evidence that your Elizabeth is named Giles and the only way to be certain is from the child's birth certificate.

The middle name of Jeffrey is on the birth certificate that you requested, again what proof have you that this is the correct one? Yes, you have calculated the birth from the death entry, but .... did William himself provide the date of birth to go on his death certificate? or might it have been somebody who wasn't present at the birth?

Sorry to go on about it, each step needs to be verified otherwise there is a possibility that you are researching the wrong person.