John White merchant Liverpool - lived Wirral, Cheshire

[melness]

Hello

I don't live in England and only recent found a coonection to your are via the above John White

According to old family diary he was born in Colombo, Ceylon 1805 and lived with his wife Amelia - they married 1831 Liverpool until about 1877 or so. I was wondering if they appeared in the census for your area.

Any help appreciated.

thanks

Drew

[68pages]

HI Drew

In 1851 John Geo White is living at Rudgrove Place in Cheshire with his children: His occupation is a Shipbroker and all the children were born in Lancaster.

Caroline Amelia White age 18
James Henry White age 17
John George White age 13
Hannah Elisabeth White age 11
Isabel White age 7
Joanna C White age 5
Emma L White age 3

HO107/ 2174 / 380 / 73

Victoria

[dickiesam]

Hi Drew,
Just a note about the address that Victoria found for 1851. My transcription has it in full as Rudgrave Place, Liscard, Wallasey, Cheshire.

Edited to correct spelling re post from Daggers below. First glance at the census page did look like Redgrave, but the other pages definitely show Rudgrave. Correction sent.

DS

PS: Had to smile! One of the servants in the household may have been working for MI5 and sworn to secrecy. In the column for 'Where born' she has "Cannot tell"!

[daggers]

My 1930s road atlas has a Rudgrave Place and Square in Wallasey, Liscard area, but no Redgrave.
D

[melness]

Thank you all for your replies. Really grateful.

[Tina]

Hi Drew
Welcome to the Forum
There is a baptism in Childwall for James Henry White
8th May 1834 father John George mother Amelia.
This is from Anc##
No more details in familysearch IGI or Lancs Online Parish Clerk.
(must have a squizz in 1881 there's a Jas H who is the Chaplain to the Scilly Isles)

Tina

[Tina]

'Lo tis me again.
Caroline Amelia's baptism is also there in Childwall.
1871 census she is with her father whose birthplace is listed as Coylon.
Have sent an error to Anc#
36 Mersey Rd Tranmere
John G 65 coal agent
wife Ann 65 bn London
Caroline A 38, Mary 24 both bn Lpool
there's a male grandchild bn Bhead 3yrs old
3 initials and a surname I can't quite read.
F H S Glanfield?
RG10/3751/125/449

Tina

later got him
Frederick William S Glenfield
mar qtr Bhead 1868

See 68 pages post earlier
Marriage Ches BMD
Joanna C White to Frank Glenfield
St Peter Rock Ferry
1867

[Tina]

Hi
Isabel's baptism was at St Bride Lpool in 1843, 24th August
(see kiddies listed in 68 pages post)
If you would like a copy of this please let me know and I'll send it
in a private message as it may be a lot for this site to download I've been told.
Cheers
Tina

[Tina]

1861 census
Bidston & Claughton Ches
St Aidan's Terrace
John G White 55 ship's broker bn Columbo island of Ceylon
Amelia 53 bn London, James H 21 Theological student (see earlier post about him)
Louisa 18, Isabel 17, Catherine 14, Emma 13.

No luck with 1841.

Tina

[melness]

Thank you Tina - that is definately them. I'm sending you a PM.

[Tina]

You're welcome Drew

I just have to post census about James because, we in the forum, never go to the Scilly Isles....
1871 Chaplain of the Isles of Scilly.
High St Parsonage, St Mary's 1 servant
James H White 37 bn Lpool married no spouse listed (she's in London, married 2 servants)

1881 same address etc
James 47, wife Elizabeth M (Maria) 45 bn Calcutta
stepd Catherine H Decie 17 bn Sydney N.S.W
1871 Catherine bn Oz is a pupil in Brighton Sussex
(her father was Alfred G Decie)

Marriage Elizabeth Maria Decie to Jas W
Birkenhead 1868 (free BMD)
Oxton, St Saviour (Ches BMD)

Just adds a little bit to your tree.

Tina

Added later poor Elizabeth M she died in Scilly aged 47yrs
in 1884 and James Hy 6 months later aged 50
that's why I could find them.
Also Elizabeth Lydia White aged 21 (not sure who she is)
june 1881

[melness]

Many thanks Tina.

Drew

[Tina]

Hi again
Elizabeth Lydia was the daughter of Ambrose who was stationed with the Army.
Not related I would think.
Tina

[Tina]

Hi Drew
I've sent a pm with copy of Isobel's baptism.
Here are details of some I've found, parents listed as John George White and Amelia no maiden name.
12 Jan 1836 St Bride, Mary Clarke White, Parliament St
Ditto John George 21.6.1837
12.8.1839 Hannah Elizabeth St Bride, looks like Berkeley St late of Parliament St.
Louisa 25.8.1841 St Bride, Sth Windsor St late of Berkeley St.
Isabel you have in a pm
Johanna Catherine 19.6.1845 St Bride, Egremont late of Sth Windsor St.

If you would like copies of the originals, please pm with your email address.
Tina

[melness]

thanks Tina PM sent

[Tina]

Will do me dear
If you could reply to my 1st email, then I can add your address to send the rest, makes it easier for me, tks.

Tina

[Tina]

Hi Drew
Caroline baptised in Childwall you can find in familysearch, their IGI.(I'm guessing it would be All Saint's) maiden Phillips
No info in Anc@ so far.
If you have a local FHS Mormans centre, you should be able to see this as there is a batch number. No other kiddies through this batch number.
Nothing for James Henry who was 17 in 1841 census.
I also checked out Lancashire Online Parish Clerk with no luck.

Tina

[Tina]

'Lo tis me again
You know Drew how we have had Egremont listed as the family moved around?
I'm wondering if this is James in 1891 67 bn 1824 circa Lpool, widr boatswain living in the Aged Mariner's Home in Egremont Wallasey??

Tina

[melness]

Hi Tina

No it isn't James remember he died in 1884 in the Scilly Isles.

[Kellie]

Hi,

I am tracing my family tree and traced back to a Louisa White born in Liverpool 1841.

Does anyone know if she migrated to Australia?

Kellie