John Heaps

[Lewisff]

Hi,

Family rumour has it that my great uncle, John Heaps, emigrated from Liverpool, possibly in 1906 , although we are not sure where.

John was born in Liverpool in 1877, the son of Thomas Heaps and Susanna Travis. He married Sarah Annie Dean in 1904, and their son, Richard, was born the following year.

There is certainly no trace of him or his family in 1911.

Any help would be appreciated.

Regards
Frank

[northmeols]

check these out

John HEAP
Birth Date: 26 Oct 1877
Death Date: Jun 1966
Social Security Number: 454-52-1477
State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Texas

Death Residence Localities
ZIP Code: 76574
Localities: Circleville, Williamson, Texas
Frame Switch, Williamson, Texas
Hare, Williamson, Texas
Hoxie, Williamson, Texas
Laneport, Williamson, Texas
Noack, Williamson, Texas
Normans Crossing, Williamson, Texas
Rices Crossing, Williamson, Texas
Sandoval, Williamson, Texas
Taylor, Williamson, Texas
Waterloo, Williamson, Texas


John HEAPS
Birth Date: 15 Feb 1875
Death Date: Dec 1963
Social Security Number: 480-01-1208
State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Iowa

Actual Death Residence: California

[Tina]

Hi Sue
Just a little hello from me to our "Southport Wombat"
Tina

[Tina]

Hi Frank
I'm not sure if you already have this info, will post just in case
Baptism John Heaps 12 March 1877
s/o Thomas boatman & Susan
Bolton St
Parish Church of St Peter.
I've had no luck in fmp shipping but haven't had time to try variations.
He's not with his Mum & sibs in 19##
In Gores/Kellys Directory there is also Heape & Heapy
Tina

[Lewisff]

Morning Sue and Tina,
Just to make you feel homesick it's cool, dull and overcast here with the likelihood of rain later.Typical bank holiday weather!!

Clearly Tina's information rules out the Texas connection. DickieSam did a look-up for a departing JH and did find one in 1906 travelling with a Mrs and Master Heaps. However, we could find no matching trace of the family landing in the USA. Furthermore, another contact in SLC could find no trace of the family on the 1910 census.

I do have evidence of one of John's younger sisters, Susannah Hodgson and family, travelling out to Canada - they settled in Calgary Alberta - in 1911. I wonder if they followed him there?

Cheers
Frank
PS: Tina, have you still got the glass of wine in the chiller for me!!

[garstonite]

Hi...just to clarify that on freebmd John Heaps was registered June qtr 1877 in Liverpool....this would suggest that he was born apr/ may / june 1877..........so the Texas record doesn`t look good....
the babtism in March is very possible as parents were given 6 weeks to register .
oh..and it`s raining again -Bank Holiday Monday....what a surprise...lol

[Lewisff]

Morning Garstonite, Tina and Sue,

Just checked the Liverpool registers on Ancestry and can confirm that John was born on the 1st of March 1877.
Matches 1–50 of 58 Sorted By Relevance
View Record Name Birth Date Baptism Date Parish Parent Names View Images
View Record
John Heaps 1 Mar 12 Mar 1877 Liverpool St Peter Thomas Heaps,
Susan Heaps

Cheers from a wet and soggy Lydiate,
Frank
PS; at least I wont have to put te plants in! lol

[Tina]

Hi Frank
Lucky you with the rain, we've had the driest summer for over 20yrs and guess wot? It rained in the night, I mean 2 inches...woo hoo

Tina

[Tina]

Hi again Frank
So this is your mob in 1881 census?
Thomas 34 bn Beds waterman
Susannah 28, George 6, John 4, William 2, baby Robert
plus Susannah 3 & baby Alfred in 1891
all born Lpool.
Was Thomas married before to Elizabeth nee Kaye?
died aged 24yrs 1873.
and Susannah is widowed in 1901 in Edge Hill with the kiddie.
It's young Susannah (13) who marries John S Hodgson 1909 Everton and goes to Canada?
Can you please list details of 1911 Canadian census, thank you.
Tina

[Lewisff]

Hi Tina,
Yes, This is my lot. Thomas' first wife was Elizabeth Gribbin who seems to have passed away prematurely following the birth/ death of two daughters in quick succession.

The Beds refereed to on the census is the district of Bedford,which is part of the Lancashire town of Leigh, and not the county of Bedfordshire.

Thomas was killed in a dockland accident, when the sleeve of this coat was caught in some lifting gear as he was helping to unload a ship in the docks. He was dragged into the machinery and died instantly.

Yes, as you say, it was Susanna who went on to marry John Stanley Hodgson in 1909. There first child, also Susannah, was born in Liverpool in 1910. The family left England sometime after the British 1911 census - probably round about July / August with their second child, Ruth, born in Calgary Alberta on the 4th of May 1912.

They do not appear on the 1911 Canadian census as it was taken on the 11th of June, when the family were still in Liverpool.

Susanna and John had two further children, Margaret (1914 -2008) and John (1922-44). It would appear tat he was in the air force and was shot down on a mission.

Susanna and John passed away in 1944 and 1962 respectively.

Cheers
Frank

[Tina]

Sorry Frank I cannot find them in the shipping lists in fmp. I've tried variations on first and second names with no luck.
I'm presuming they left for Canada from Lpool?
1911 onwards?
Maybe they went to USA first?
Sorry not to be of much help.
Tina

[Lewisff]

Hi Tina

Brian (Dickie Sam) found the following although I am not sure if it is them. The husband has an additional initial and he is described as being as being a teaman although on the 1901 census and his wedding certificate he is down as a confectioner:


Hi Frank,
This is the only Heaps family listed in the outgoing passenger lists from 1904 to 1940. Hope your man had a middle initial W?
Had a problem raising the manifest page. I think it has been mis-indexed.

Name: Mr John W HEAPS
Date of departure: 23 June 1905; Port of departure: Liverpool.
Passenger destination port: New York, USA; Passenger destination: New York, USA.
Marital status: Married; **********: Male; Occupation: Teaman.

The following people are potential travelling companions from your search: -
Mrs HEAPS and Mastr HEAPS.

Ship: Republic.
Official Number:
Master's name: James Mcauley

Would the Heaps have passed thru Ellis Island?

Birth?
Births Sep 1904: HEAPS, Robert - W. Derby - 8b - 670

Cheers
Brian

I checked the Ellis Island records to no avail.

Cheers
Frank

[Tina]

Morning all
Frank & D.S
John W Heaps found leaving 1905, there is one in 1901 census who is in Leigh!! in Bedford Sq single 26 cotton spinner with 5 unmarried siblings.
(1881 his parents were Wm & Alice)

and there's a marriage for him in 1904 Bedford St.Thomas wife nee Abram and a birth for Harry Heaps maiden Abram 1905 sept qtr.
(Lancs BMD)

So a family connection I'd say.

Tina

[Lewisff]

Hi Everyone,
Just to let you know that I think we have finally solved the mystery of John and Sarah Heaps

It would appear that I was misinformed with regards to their emigration and also the fact that they did so with a son. That was possibly my over-enthusiasm when finding what could have been a matching birth.

It now seems, thanks to Dickiesam, that according to the 1911 census, John and Sarah were in fact almost certainly living in Harrogate. They are listed as 'having no children'. Further research on Freebmd failed to find any matching Heaps/Dean births post 1911.

I also discovered deaths for both John and Sarah in Liverpool in 1955. Based on age at time of death and the fact that their ages matched the only corresponding births, they were clearly the same couple.

Once again, many thanks for all your help.

Frank

[Lewisff]

Hi,

I am helping a friend look for information on her great great grandmother, Margaret Seddon.

We know that Margaret Seddon was born in Liverpool circa 1816 and that she married Thomas Kemp- son of William Kemp and Anne Marie O'Hare - at St Nicholas's Church Liverpool in 1833. They went on to have 10 children.

My friend would love to find out a little more about Margaret and her own family as the information on the Seddon side of the tree is blank..IE; No parents or siblings.

Any help would be appreciated.

Regards
Frank

[simone]

Hi

I have replied on Margaret Seddon query on the separate thread

http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/p ... hp?t=10883

Simone x