marriage by license or banns

[simone]

Hi

If you had the option to buy transcripts of marriages, which would you go for.. 'by license' or' by banns' or both..

If you are married by license.. you don't have banns read am I right in thinking that...

If so, does this mean that marriages I am looking for could be in either set of transcripts

Thanks

Simone x

[MaryA]

That's a strange question, are the transcripts really sold separately?

Yes I believe you are right that there wouldn't be the necessity for Banns to be read if a marriage was by Licence. Is it a specific marriage you are interested in? I recently requested a copy of a Licence from Chester, it turned out to be a Bond and Allegation, apparently the Licence wasn't still in existence.

Have you also checked the newspapers to see if the marriage was mentioned, I found this to be particularly useful.

[Hilary]

There aren't different registers one for banns and one for licence marriages.

If it's post 1837 you have the option of the actual church register (kept probably at the Record Office) or the registrar's register which would be at the local register office and copied to the GRO

If it was earlier the Church of England register was copied and sent to the Bishop. These are called Bishop's Transcripts and can contain less information than the actual Church Register but sometime can contain an extra tit bit

Could you tell us the actual example so we can see if we can help solve the mystery?

[daggers]

The allegation and bond was lodged and is what you will find at a record office. The licence belonged to the couple - probably the groom.
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[simone]

Thanks for replies everyone

I am searching pre 1816

I am looking at Wrexham records and the Clwyd Fhs sell various parish register transcripts in book form or on microfiche


marriages in book form

Wrexham (by license) 1754 -1760
Wrexham (by license) 1781- 1813
Wrexham (by banns) 1754 -1768
Wrexham (by banns) 1769 -1800
Wrexham (by banns) 1801 -1813

I am assuming then that all of these are prob copies of BT's whether by license or banns, wasn't sure if one gave more info than the other, but as I don't know exactly when they married or whether by license or banns, looks like I may end up buying 2 or 3. Maybe the FHS has split them this way themselves to distinguish one method from the other in the registers.

Simone

[Hilary]

Before you buy them how about

A. Giving us the names and letting anyone who's bored have a ferret around!!!

B. Try putting a request on something like rootschat denbighshire - someone there may have access to the PRs for Wrexham

C. Have a day out to Ruthin to Denbighshire RO!!

[simone]

Thanks Hilary

It's a Jones thing

Mary Ann Jones b 22 May1848 married George Parkin Davidson at St Peters Liverpool in 1868. Her father was Edward Jones , joiner, who married Mary Swinnerton at Gresford Parish Church, Wrexham in 1844.

I am ok with the Swinnerton and Davidson's would like to find John Jones and who he married.

Edward b c 1816 states father as John Jones, Carter.
The witnesses on the marriage are Henry Jones and Hannah Swinnerton. Was hoping that Henry may be a brother, but at his marriage to Hannah (Mary's sister) he states father as Henry, Shoemaker. Have spotted Henry Jnr in census but no further clues if related to Edward. Edward and Mary witnessed Henry and Hannah's marriage.
Maybe John and Henry Snr are brothers?

1851 census Wrexham
willow Hill

HO107; Piece: 2503; Folio: 465; Page: 19
Edward Jones 35 Joiner
Mary Jones 28
Edwin Jones 5
Mary Ann Jones 3
Edward Jones 1

1861 census Willow Road, Wrexham
RG9; Piece: 4287; Folio: 33; Page: 9
Edward Jones 44 Joiner b wrexham
Mary Jones 38 Joiner's wife b Wrexham
Edwin Jones 15
Mary Ann Jones 12
Edward Jones 11
Anna Jones 9
Margaret Jones 7
John Jones 5
Jane Jones 3
Elizabeth Jones 7 MO


1871 census lodging 26 Mount St, Wrexham
RG10; Piece: 5657; Folio: 116; Page: 25
Edwd Jones 40 joiner (age wrong but daughters are there, status Unmarried? )
Jane Jones 13
Elizabeth Jones 10

1881 possible for Edward
lodger at Mc Dermottt Buildings
RG11; Piece: 5519; Folio: 72; Page: 4;
Edward Jones 71 - joiner

Found a John Jones in 1861 with a daughter in law Catherine, but can't tie them up at the moment
RG9; Piece: 4288; Folio: 86; Page: 34
12 Piers? Square, Wrexham
John Jones 88 Carter b Ruthin
Catherine Jones 29 b Ireland daughter in law, widow
John Jones 8
Thomas Jones 6


The 1841 census isn't any use as I believe much of Wrexham is missing

I did have some help a few years back on Rootschat, but no response to this marriage query, maybe I should give it another go

Thanks

Simone x

later : - have posted on rootschat