Nememiah Bird

[swbirdy64]

Any help greatly apreciated I have found a "Nememiah Bird" born 1685 in the Liverpool area possibly Wallasey he was married to an Elizabeth Aynsworth in Wallasey on the 02 Dec 1708 who was born 1685 and died in 1725.They had a son Henry Bird born 25 Jan 1712 who was a "yeoman of Wallasey"But the trail has gone cold I cant get any further information or any further back. I have to confess I am new to Genealogy so may missed things any ideas or help please ? Thank you in anticipation

[Katie]

Can you supply us with your decendancy to Nememiah Bird going backwards from yourself and what documents you have for example. Census records/Birth registrations/Parish Records etc Have you confirmed from documents that Nememiah Bird is your decendant

[swbirdy64]

Yes have line of decendancy. What is the protocol for presenting it ?At the moment I just have raw data not a fully plotted tree. I know it sounds like a shaggy dog story but tree was a 21st birthday present to my niece and was done by a local geneologist on my behalf, she got me back to Joseph Bird born Hook West Kirby 1800 died 1881 Woodchurch Wirral.She presents evidence as census records so Im pretty sure they are both correct and verifyable.But I got bitten by the bug and spent the whole night researching online, just got carried away and by standing on the shoulders of others managed to track back to Nememiah.So I hold up my hands I have probably gone off half cocked but was crushed to come to a stop.Am I right in thinking that their marriage certificate would contain their parents details ? If so how do I find that ? Thanks from a very grateful beginner But I might just be hooked lol

[Tina]

Hi birdy
You sure have got the bug Yes, it's addictive this "genie" lark.

Just for the crew Joseph Bird is in 1851 census in Hoose W Kirby
he's 51yrs (haven't seen this occupation before)
superannuated Quarantine Station could be Manager? and another word river? retired?
Wife Kate 50, Sarah 16, Joseph 10 both bn Bebbington.
there's another Joseph Bird same occupation & age in Hoose with a wife Mary & different kiddies....
1861 he's with Mary & also with Catherine
Oh heck

Tina

[Tina]

IGI has a member submitted entry for Nehemiah
1685 Wallasey also for Henry 25.1.1713
Margaret spouse 1738 West Kirby

Tina

[dickiesam]

Hoose was a township in West Kirby Parish, Wirral Hundred (SJ 2189), which became a civil parish in 1866. In 1894 the whole of Hoose was added to Hoylake cum West Kirby civil parish. The population was 60 in 1801, 589 in 1851, and 2701 in 1901.

DS

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

She presents evidence as census records so Im pretty sure they are both correct and verifyable.

Censuses are secondary evidence, not primary evidence. I hope your genealogist didn't overcharge you if she didn't present verifiable proof from generation to generation by means of birth, marriage and death certificates, with the possible addition of Wills, Rent Books, Burial, Land and Property records etc.

standing on the shoulders of others

So many times researchers have relied on the IGI, particularly "user submitted entries" and discovered an entry only to discover that they have followed completely the wrong line because there were two families with similar names in a similar location, or because somebody else has made a guess, which has been picked up by the next person and the next until everybody finally believes it is true without anything to support the facts.

I don't wan't to put a dampener on your enthusiasm, however obtaining the correct evidence and confirming that you are following the right line, step by step, is much more rewarding than accepting somebody else's guesses, and when you get as far back as you have at present, it is even more necessary to obtain the proof that you have the correct family.

[colette]

Hi all

Up to now i have

Josepn Bird born Great Meols Cheshire 1800 d 1881

Parents John Bird b Wallasey 1771 - Mary Davies

Marriage 1791 West Kirby

Parents Henry Bird & Elizabeth

Theres a marriage in Bidston for a Henry Bird to Elizabeth Evans 1763

Only children i can find are all born Wallasey

William 1767
Henry 1769
John 1771 *
Mary 1773
Martha 1775

Its finding the father of Henry who married Elizabeth Evans i am stuck with..he does name his first born William.

What i am concerned with is How they got back to Nehemiah born 1685...

I see Nehemiah & Elizabeth had...Nehemiah 1711, Henry 1712, Elizabeth 1715, John 1717, Joshua 1723,

The link to him is not connecting

information source England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000 / IGI



xx

[dickiesam]

Hi birdy
You sure have got the bug Yes, it's addictive this "genie" lark.

Just for the crew Joseph Bird is in 1851 census in Hoose W Kirby
he's 51yrs (haven't seen this occupation before)
superannuated Quarantine Station could be Manager? and another word river? retired?
Wife Kate 50, Sarah 16, Joseph 10 both bn Bebbington.
there's another Joseph Bird same occupation & age in Hoose with a wife Mary & different kiddies....
1861 he's with Mary & also with Catherine
Oh heck

Tina

Re the 1851 Joseph Bird with wife Kate... I think this is the entered occupation 'translation':
BIRD, Joseph - Head - Married - 51 - 1800 - Superannuated Quarantine Station Mersey River - West Kirby, Cheshire.
BIRD, Kate - Wife - 54 - 1797 - West Kirby, Cheshire.
RG #: HO107 - 2174 - 616 - 27.

See here for Quarantine Stations:
http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/mari ... bible.aspx


EDIT TO ADD:
Bird was not an uncommon name on the Wirral. Over 50 births registered in Wirral between 1837 and 1850.

DS

[MaryA]

Up to now i have

Hi Colette, can you post the source where you found this information and whether it is a user submitted or from a parish register that can be checked.

Thanks

[Hilary]

I found this tree on the web

www.geni.com/people/Nehemiah-BIRD/6000000001106384008

Not sure how nmuch information there is there.

Hilary

[colette]

Hi all

there are a coulple of conflicting trees on Ancestry.. saying Joseph Bird b 1800 parents were Henry Bird & Elizabeth Evans and the other saying William Bird & Martha Kinsley.
This William Bird born 1767 was the older brother of John Bird born 1771, they then say Williams father was Henry Bird born 1740, and his father was Henry Bird born 1712 and his father Nehemaih b 1685.

so i am lost now as IG has John Bird & Mary Davies as Joseph's parents

xx

[dickiesam]

Quote from Tina:

Just for the crew Joseph Bird is in 1851 census in Hoose W Kirby
he's 51yrs (haven't seen this occupation before)
superannuated Quarantine Station could be Manager? and another word river? retired?
Wife Kate 50, Sarah 16, Joseph 10 both bn Bebbington.
there's another Joseph Bird same occupation & age in Hoose with a wife Mary & different kiddies....
1861 he's with Mary & also with Catherine
Oh heck

These are they, living in the same township of Hoose, West Kirby:
1851>
BIRD, Joseph - 1800 - Wirral, Cheshire.
BIRD, Joseph - 1800 - Wirral, Cheshire.

In the same census there are 16 Joseph Birds born between 1798 and 1802 - all counties!

DS

[swbirdy64]

Just finished my weeks work so have not looked on here for a few days, thank you to everyone I am very grateful for all your efforts. I am so impressed. I know its not much of a reward but as a thank you I am going to make a donation to my charity the Royal National Lifeboat Institution I was going to make it in the name of the Bird family apt as John B Bird and his 2 sons and nephew all died in 1812 manning a Lifeboat.But am now going to make it joint with "Liverpool & South West Lancs Geneaology" so thank you all even our antipodean bretheren
Regards Steve Bird

[MaryA]

Maybe you could join the society instead, the link to the main page is from the globe at the top of the page.

[JoJo]

I found this tree on the web

http://www.geni.com/people/Nehemiah-BIR ... 1106384008

Not sure how nmuch information there is there.

Hilary

Hello, I am relatively new to this site. Having read the posts of this topic which is not recent but always of interest, I have to say that the Bird Family were numerous in Wirral. It is not even possible to guess the family trees.
The above link, is from my direct line.
Nehemiah ,Yeoman Wallasey,born 1685 had two wives, both named Elizabeth. Joshua was the son of his second marriage.
Henry Bird, Yeoman Wallasey was a bit of a lad and had a few wives, which makes the whole affair very difficult, due to the family names being repeated on numerous occasions. He lived until about 90yrs one of his wives was Elizabeth and she has a plaque dedicated to her outside the tower at St. Hilary's Church Wallasey.
I have collected an untold amount of records, which were mostly taken from the Parish registers, and so far I somehow think that the John B Bird.( who is stated as being drowned in 1810 by the attached article and not 1812 as mentioned in the original post) http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/b ... ad/1199881
is not necessarily connected to Nehemiah Bird born 1685.
Familysearch.org is not always correct with it's information. I have found numerous errors when comparing to the Parish records and their copy of the IGI. That saddens me, as wrong information leads to dead ends and false trails.
If I can locate my information I will post it for future reference, but it is so plentiful, I would need a couple of months to get my head around all these Bird's and in some sort of order for it to be understood.
Thank you

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum. The original poster didn't become a Society member, nor remain a member of the Forum so may not be notified that you have posted on this message, however if there is anything we can help you with please let us know and we will try.