St Cuthbert Everton and St Andrews Liverpool

Post by **erika** » 01 Feb 2011 16:57

Hi All

I'm looking for photos of two churches

St Cuthbert, Everton and St Andrews, Liverpool

I know neither of them still exist, but just wondered if there is a site I may find them. There's nothing on the Lancashire OnLine website and Genuki didn't have any either.

Would be glad of some assistance.

Many thanks
Cheers
Erika

Post by **Hilary** » 01 Feb 2011 17:29

Contact Liverpool Record Office - they have a large photo collection and may have photos of the 2 churches.

Hilary
Eed Officer

Post by **erika** » 01 Feb 2011 17:34

Many thanks Hilary

Cheers
Erika

Post by **dickiesam** » 01 Feb 2011 17:42

There photos of a St Cuthbert's, Everton, here:
http://www.google.ie/images?q=St+Cuthbe ... 80&bih=887

And St Andrew's here?
http://www.google.ie/images?um=1&hl=en& ... =&aql=&oq=

DS

Post by **erika** » 02 Feb 2011 11:30

Thanks DS.

I think the St Cuthberts is for the school, but St Andrews looks good.

Cheers
Erika

Post by **daggers** » 02 Feb 2011 17:27

There is no photo of St Cuthbert's (CofE, Robson Street) in the excellent 'Churches of Liverpool', which probably means none exists in public hands.
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Post by **erika** » 02 Feb 2011 17:57

Thanks daggers for looking

Cheers
Erika

Post by **Nick F** » 04 Feb 2011 22:23

Without wishing to muddy the waters, the most famous St Andrew's in Liverpool was the C of E church in Renshaw Street, founded by the Gladstone family in the early 1800s. It was demolished to make way for Central Station. I don't think there are any photos but there is at least one print, which I could track down if this is the right St Andrew's. Nick

Post by **erika** » 04 Feb 2011 23:06

Well Nick, now you've put the cat amongst the pigeons

I'm not sure which St Andrews Church it is.

On the marriage cert for 1863 it just says
St Andrews Church in the Parish of Liverpool.
The curate was Peter Tomkins, but he is not listed for either of the 2 St Andrews churches in the 1860 directory.

The bride lived at Mount Pleasant and in the directory it does give the Incumbent Rev Thomas Cowan as living at Mount Pleasant also. No mention of a curate tho'.

The other St Andrews church was Presbyterian, in Rodney St, would that likely to be mentioned on a certificate?

If it proves to be the St Andrews in Renshaw St I would be grateful of a copy, but how am I going to know for sure

Thanks for your interest

Cheers
Erika

Post by **Hilary** » 05 Feb 2011 11:13

On the certifictae it will say something like - according to the rites and ceremonies of the _______________________ church

If this is the Established church it is a Church of England. It'll use Presbyterian or Church of Scotland or Roman Catholic

This should help

Hilary
Ed Officer

Post by **daggers** » 05 Feb 2011 11:35

Nick
Are you sure that Renshaw Street St Andrew's was CofE? I have a feeling that I have seen it as 'Episcopal', which sounds more like Episcopal Church of Scotland, but cannot find my source. The Gladstones were Scots, after all.
D

Post by **erika** » 05 Feb 2011 11:52

Thanks Hilary, it does say Established church. So do I presume it was the one in Renshaw Street?

The St Andrews in Rodney Street had something to do with Scotland I think Daggers. In 1860 directory listed under Presbyterian.
http://www.impworks.co.uk/2010/09/liver ... nzie-tomb/

Cheers
Erika

Post by **Hilary** » 05 Feb 2011 12:28

I found this on our own society's website!

St Andrew's Church, Toxteth Park, Aigburth road. Built originally in Renshaw street, 1815. New church on present site in 1893

St Anrew's Aigburth Road definiely shows a s C of E so I reckon we've cracked it!!!!

Katie will tell us if we're right.

Hilary
Ed Officer

Post by **Nick F** » 05 Feb 2011 12:29

Peter Tivy Tomkins was a new Church of England curate, which also squares with the St Andrew's in Renshaw Street. Like many Scottish compatriots, Gladstone senior (Sir John) understood you needed to be CofE to get on in Liverpool. The marriage register for this period (283 AND 3/1) is apparently available on microfilm in the temporary Central Library: I'm sure someone would be willing to look up your marriage. Nick

Post by **erika** » 05 Feb 2011 13:12

Nick

Hopefully that clears up the church situation and my gt grandparents did in fact get married at the St Andrews in Renshaw St. I do have the certificate already, just really needed a photo to go with it

Cheers
Erika

Post by **Nick F** » 05 Feb 2011 14:20

As for the photo (or print?), I've remembered where I saw it - on the cover of the society's CD of Baptisms! Unfortunately, there's no picture in the publications section. I think it came from a short history of St Andrew's in the Record Office. Nick

Post by **Katie** » 05 Feb 2011 14:28

St Andrew Renshaw Street, Later Aigburth Road 283 AND

Post by **daggers** » 05 Feb 2011 16:27

The Aigburth Road church was demolished in 1967. [Not relevant to this enquiry, but someone might think it is still there!]
D