Hi Everyone,
Great to find this Liverpool Forum ! I am looking for my Great Grandfather Arthur Beyer ( born 1860's ?) My Grandfather Albert Leo Beyer was born 1900 in Kirkdale Liverpool. There was 6 brothers in all. Arthur the first born was born 1884, Ernest 1887, Walter 1891, George 1892, William 1895, and then my Grandfather in 1900. Grandpa Albert Beyer moved to Canada in 1924.
I cannot locate a grave, or Marriage for any of the brothers. I do not not if they all left to go the the States or elsewhere ? They lived at 89 Lambeth road in Liverpool. I also know Grandpa lived in Ellesmere for awhile with at least some of the family. Arthur Beyer married Marion Smith ... not sure what the date?
Question: Does anyone out there know if any of my Beyer family still lives in Liverpool or Ellesmere area. It just seems like they dropped of the face of the Earth. In the 1960's Grandpa went back to Ellesmere and said people there remembered the Beyer family, leading me to believe no one is left there. I am looking for any leads that might help me find where the brothers went so I can find my Dads side of the family.
You would think that Great Grandpa Arthur Beyer or his wife Marion are buried in the liverpool area, but maybe they left as well ?
Regards Alane
LiverpoolKirkdale 89 lambeth Rd Arthur Beyer y 1900 ShipCook
Alane.
A quick check on FreeBDM Deaths, and I found this:
Marion BEYER, Dec Qtr 1907 42Yrs old (ref: West Derby 8b 303).
I will check the BDMs for All the rest now!
Also, I have Census Name Indexes, I will look through them as well!
A quick check on FreeBDM Deaths, and I found this:
Marion BEYER, Dec Qtr 1907 42Yrs old (ref: West Derby 8b 303).
I will check the BDMs for All the rest now!
Also, I have Census Name Indexes, I will look through them as well!
Searching for:
Bennett, Brown, Brunn, Collins, Critchley, Dickinson, Dodd, Duffy, Eaton, Edwards, Hertzberger, Highton, Holland, Humphreys, Melling, Morgan, Murphy, Walker, Webster, Wright, Owens, Prudon & Speed.
Bennett, Brown, Brunn, Collins, Critchley, Dickinson, Dodd, Duffy, Eaton, Edwards, Hertzberger, Highton, Holland, Humphreys, Melling, Morgan, Murphy, Walker, Webster, Wright, Owens, Prudon & Speed.
Found Marriage for Arthur BEYER & Marion SMITH:
Sept Qtr 1883 (ref: W. Derby 8b 964).
When I did the search for "Marion SMITH" found Nothing:roll:
Did a search for Arthur BEYER & found Marion wrongly listed as "Marring SMITH"
Sept Qtr 1883 (ref: W. Derby 8b 964).
When I did the search for "Marion SMITH" found Nothing:roll:
Did a search for Arthur BEYER & found Marion wrongly listed as "Marring SMITH"
Searching for:
Bennett, Brown, Brunn, Collins, Critchley, Dickinson, Dodd, Duffy, Eaton, Edwards, Hertzberger, Highton, Holland, Humphreys, Melling, Morgan, Murphy, Walker, Webster, Wright, Owens, Prudon & Speed.
Bennett, Brown, Brunn, Collins, Critchley, Dickinson, Dodd, Duffy, Eaton, Edwards, Hertzberger, Highton, Holland, Humphreys, Melling, Morgan, Murphy, Walker, Webster, Wright, Owens, Prudon & Speed.
To find what happened to your Grandfather's brothers you need to track the family forward.
Do you have them on the 1891, 1901, 1911 census?
You need to look for possible marriages On www.lancashirebmd.org.uk I found these marriages
Arthur beyer to Marring Smith 1883 West Derby Register Office or Register attended. You would have to purchase this certificate to find out the couple's fathers.
George H Beyer to Elizabeth Borrows 1913 St Mary Kirkdale
Ernest beyer to Ruth Gibson 1914 at the same church
Arthur Beyer married Florence Richardson 1917 also a West Derby Register as above
George H Beyer to Rebeca M Watson 1920 (possibly a 2nd marriage) again a West Derby register as above
You would then need to search on something like Ancestry to find if the couples had children and then try and find their marriages and so on
As for Arthur and Marion you need to find their deaths before you can start searching for a burial place. You say they lived in Ellesmere. When was that? Ellesmere is in Shropshire. The 1871 and 1881 census show Arthur L Beyer living in Ellesmere.
His birth registration was in West Derby March Quarter 1856 volume 8b page 365 Given name Arthur Lewis Beyer
This then is his death registration Arthur Lewis Beyer 1923 aged 67 Dec Q Birkenhead volume 8a page 620. The www.ccheshirebmd.org.uk site gives it as Wallasey sub district. I suggest you get his death certificate which will give you his home address and then we can advose on a possible cemetery. Incidentally Wallasey in not in liverpool it's on the Cheshire side of the Mersey.
Hope this helps
Hilary
Ed Officer
Do you have them on the 1891, 1901, 1911 census?
You need to look for possible marriages On www.lancashirebmd.org.uk I found these marriages
Arthur beyer to Marring Smith 1883 West Derby Register Office or Register attended. You would have to purchase this certificate to find out the couple's fathers.
George H Beyer to Elizabeth Borrows 1913 St Mary Kirkdale
Ernest beyer to Ruth Gibson 1914 at the same church
Arthur Beyer married Florence Richardson 1917 also a West Derby Register as above
George H Beyer to Rebeca M Watson 1920 (possibly a 2nd marriage) again a West Derby register as above
You would then need to search on something like Ancestry to find if the couples had children and then try and find their marriages and so on
As for Arthur and Marion you need to find their deaths before you can start searching for a burial place. You say they lived in Ellesmere. When was that? Ellesmere is in Shropshire. The 1871 and 1881 census show Arthur L Beyer living in Ellesmere.
His birth registration was in West Derby March Quarter 1856 volume 8b page 365 Given name Arthur Lewis Beyer
This then is his death registration Arthur Lewis Beyer 1923 aged 67 Dec Q Birkenhead volume 8a page 620. The www.ccheshirebmd.org.uk site gives it as Wallasey sub district. I suggest you get his death certificate which will give you his home address and then we can advose on a possible cemetery. Incidentally Wallasey in not in liverpool it's on the Cheshire side of the Mersey.
Hope this helps
Hilary
Ed Officer
Ernest BEYER married Ruth GIBSON in June Qtr 1914 at St Mary, Kirkdale.
FreeBDM Ref: West Derby 8b 681.
Lancs BDM Ref: Liverpool: 2013WD/29/308
FreeBDM Ref: West Derby 8b 681.
Lancs BDM Ref: Liverpool: 2013WD/29/308
Searching for:
Bennett, Brown, Brunn, Collins, Critchley, Dickinson, Dodd, Duffy, Eaton, Edwards, Hertzberger, Highton, Holland, Humphreys, Melling, Morgan, Murphy, Walker, Webster, Wright, Owens, Prudon & Speed.
Bennett, Brown, Brunn, Collins, Critchley, Dickinson, Dodd, Duffy, Eaton, Edwards, Hertzberger, Highton, Holland, Humphreys, Melling, Morgan, Murphy, Walker, Webster, Wright, Owens, Prudon & Speed.
Arthur left a will and is listed in the National probate Index on Ancestry
Arthur Lewis Beyer of Liverpool Home for Aged Mariners Egremont Cheshire died 31 October 1923 Probate London to louisa Frances Beyer spinster effects £190
If Arthur was buried locally it would probably have been at rake Lane cemetery in Wallasey however he may have been buried wherever his wife was buried. You would need her death certificate to get an address that would help identify her whereabouts.
Hilary
Ed Officer
Arthur Lewis Beyer of Liverpool Home for Aged Mariners Egremont Cheshire died 31 October 1923 Probate London to louisa Frances Beyer spinster effects £190
If Arthur was buried locally it would probably have been at rake Lane cemetery in Wallasey however he may have been buried wherever his wife was buried. You would need her death certificate to get an address that would help identify her whereabouts.
Hilary
Ed Officer
George H. BEYER married twice.
1st marriage: June Qtr 1913 at St Mary, Kirkdale to Elizabeth BORROWS
FreeBDM ref: W. Derby 8b 606
Lancs BDM ref: Liverpool: 2013WD/29/87.
2nd marriage: June Qtr 1920, West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended to Rebecca M. WATSON.
FreeBDM ref: W. Derby 8b 1298
Lancs BDM ref: Liverpool: REG_WD/371/17.
P.S. Elizabeth BEYER[nee BORROWS} died in June Qtr 1914 (ref: W. Derby 8b 552
1st marriage: June Qtr 1913 at St Mary, Kirkdale to Elizabeth BORROWS
FreeBDM ref: W. Derby 8b 606
Lancs BDM ref: Liverpool: 2013WD/29/87.
2nd marriage: June Qtr 1920, West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended to Rebecca M. WATSON.
FreeBDM ref: W. Derby 8b 1298
Lancs BDM ref: Liverpool: REG_WD/371/17.
P.S. Elizabeth BEYER[nee BORROWS} died in June Qtr 1914 (ref: W. Derby 8b 552
Searching for:
Bennett, Brown, Brunn, Collins, Critchley, Dickinson, Dodd, Duffy, Eaton, Edwards, Hertzberger, Highton, Holland, Humphreys, Melling, Morgan, Murphy, Walker, Webster, Wright, Owens, Prudon & Speed.
Bennett, Brown, Brunn, Collins, Critchley, Dickinson, Dodd, Duffy, Eaton, Edwards, Hertzberger, Highton, Holland, Humphreys, Melling, Morgan, Murphy, Walker, Webster, Wright, Owens, Prudon & Speed.
1881 census shows Arthur with his mother Louisa in Ellemere. Louisa was born in Christleton Cheshire
From www.cheshirebmd.org.uk
1841 Christleton St James Gottlieb F Beyer married Louisa Pickering
The couple show in the 1851 census in Walton Liverpool search under Luisa Payer
Gottlieb is recorded as born in Russia he is a general merchant
Gottlieb Ferdinand Beyer died West Derby 1860
Hilary
Ed Officer
From www.cheshirebmd.org.uk
1841 Christleton St James Gottlieb F Beyer married Louisa Pickering
The couple show in the 1851 census in Walton Liverpool search under Luisa Payer
Gottlieb is recorded as born in Russia he is a general merchant
Gottlieb Ferdinand Beyer died West Derby 1860
Hilary
Ed Officer
Hilary.
? I did a few searches of the Census Name Indexes for Gottlieb & Luisa (various spellings) & found none listed ?
Must be some strange spelling variants used by the Transcribers?
? I did a few searches of the Census Name Indexes for Gottlieb & Luisa (various spellings) & found none listed ?
Must be some strange spelling variants used by the Transcribers?
Searching for:
Bennett, Brown, Brunn, Collins, Critchley, Dickinson, Dodd, Duffy, Eaton, Edwards, Hertzberger, Highton, Holland, Humphreys, Melling, Morgan, Murphy, Walker, Webster, Wright, Owens, Prudon & Speed.
Bennett, Brown, Brunn, Collins, Critchley, Dickinson, Dodd, Duffy, Eaton, Edwards, Hertzberger, Highton, Holland, Humphreys, Melling, Morgan, Murphy, Walker, Webster, Wright, Owens, Prudon & Speed.
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Abeyer
Arthur Beyer Born 1856 !
Wow,
I can hardly keep up with all this wonderful, wonderful information. My brain is going a million miles a minute. I have tried to look up alot of this information, but did not get the info you all have provided. I am just in awe. And am finding my self sobbing in great happiness !
I think it must have been Great, Great, Grandfather Beyer that lived in Ellesmere, and had Arthur my Great Grandfather. And moved to Liverpool in search of work, then married, then had 6 kids and then passed away in 1923. This makes perect sense as Grandpa Albert Leo Beyer left to Canada.
It is sad to see that George lost his wife after one year ... and that my Great Grandma died so young.
I remember Grandpa saying he was not German ... but I never thought Russian decent. I guess thats where he got the beautiful blue eyes from.
Next I need to find more info about the brothers, maybe I can track down some family members on the Beyer side. I bet some are still in Liverpool area now. Before I just thought they all went over the pond.
I am in awe of all yor talents. Thank you from the bottom of my heart ! I look forward to chatting with you all.
Regards Alane
I can hardly keep up with all this wonderful, wonderful information. My brain is going a million miles a minute. I have tried to look up alot of this information, but did not get the info you all have provided. I am just in awe. And am finding my self sobbing in great happiness !
I think it must have been Great, Great, Grandfather Beyer that lived in Ellesmere, and had Arthur my Great Grandfather. And moved to Liverpool in search of work, then married, then had 6 kids and then passed away in 1923. This makes perect sense as Grandpa Albert Leo Beyer left to Canada.
It is sad to see that George lost his wife after one year ... and that my Great Grandma died so young.
I remember Grandpa saying he was not German ... but I never thought Russian decent. I guess thats where he got the beautiful blue eyes from.
Next I need to find more info about the brothers, maybe I can track down some family members on the Beyer side. I bet some are still in Liverpool area now. Before I just thought they all went over the pond.
I am in awe of all yor talents. Thank you from the bottom of my heart ! I look forward to chatting with you all.
Regards Alane
They're in Walton in 1851 Luisa Payer I just looked for a Louisa born in Cheshire married to a Gottlieb and up popped Luisa Payer
Arthur is with mother and siblings in 1861 in Walton Gottlieb is dead by this time
Arthur is with his aunt and uncle in Ellesmere in 1871
Arthur uis with mother In Ellesmere in 1881
I didn't see him in 1891 or 1901 presumably at sea - I didn't look very hard and I didn't look for Marion.
Hilary
Ed Officer
Arthur is with mother and siblings in 1861 in Walton Gottlieb is dead by this time
Arthur is with his aunt and uncle in Ellesmere in 1871
Arthur uis with mother In Ellesmere in 1881
I didn't see him in 1891 or 1901 presumably at sea - I didn't look very hard and I didn't look for Marion.
Hilary
Ed Officer
Alene.
No Problem, Always Glad to Help a fellow Researcher!
If You ever manage to trace Your BEYER line back a few generations you may find that they Originated in Poland or Germany then went to Russea?
Best of Luck in Your Searches!
No Problem, Always Glad to Help a fellow Researcher!
If You ever manage to trace Your BEYER line back a few generations you may find that they Originated in Poland or Germany then went to Russea?
Best of Luck in Your Searches!
Searching for:
Bennett, Brown, Brunn, Collins, Critchley, Dickinson, Dodd, Duffy, Eaton, Edwards, Hertzberger, Highton, Holland, Humphreys, Melling, Morgan, Murphy, Walker, Webster, Wright, Owens, Prudon & Speed.
Bennett, Brown, Brunn, Collins, Critchley, Dickinson, Dodd, Duffy, Eaton, Edwards, Hertzberger, Highton, Holland, Humphreys, Melling, Morgan, Murphy, Walker, Webster, Wright, Owens, Prudon & Speed.
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Abeyer
Arthur Beyer born 1856
I know the Beyer name did come from Germany, way back you are correct. And as you say they moved, to Poland, Russia and even Norway ! I read the name Beyer is from the Bavarian area of Germany "Beyerle" .
My Mother who was of Norwegian decent alway thought Grandpa Beyer was Norsk because of his blue eyes. I can trace back those roots well into the 1400's as hey all lived in the Rjukan area so long.
I just think its so wild tracing all this back, and have been looking at the 12 tribes and how we all spread out across this big wide world of ours.
Alane
My Mother who was of Norwegian decent alway thought Grandpa Beyer was Norsk because of his blue eyes. I can trace back those roots well into the 1400's as hey all lived in the Rjukan area so long.
I just think its so wild tracing all this back, and have been looking at the 12 tribes and how we all spread out across this big wide world of ours.
Alane
Hi Alane
Could Albert have left in 1925 not 1924??
There is an Albert Beyer bn 1900 who left Liverpool for St John
North Brunswick in findmypast immigration.
Tina
Could Albert have left in 1925 not 1924??
There is an Albert Beyer bn 1900 who left Liverpool for St John
North Brunswick in findmypast immigration.
Tina
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Abeyer
Albert Leo Beyer born 1900
Hi Tina !
Yes Albert L Beyer could have left in 1925, I was only guessing as he married my Grandmother here in Edmonton in 1927.
Question: Do you think that the fathers would appear on Arthur and Marions marriage certificate as Hilary says. If so this would be great !
Would I get the certificate from the West Derby office?
Question: Would I get Arthurs death certificate from an office in Cheshire ?
Question: Is this Arthurs wife Under the Free BMD/uk: BEYER Louisa Harriet 85 Ellesmere 6a 425. I would think it is as not too many Beyers live there. Wonder if they are related as well ? Interesting she pops up Luisa Payer in Walton, the spelling is so off.
Question: Iam able to get the marriage certification of Louisa Pickering and Arthur Beyer in 1841. Would I contact the Walton Liverpool office ?
Question: How did you all find Gottilieb Ferdinand Beyer ? Was this in ancestry uk website. ? This I find very interesting and would like to find the Russian roots, I dont suppose it has a town in Russia he came from?
Would it be best for me to find all this information on Ancestry UK addition ? Or do I need to go to all the proper districts to get, marriage certs, Death Certs, Birth Certs. I did get my Grandfathers ( Albert Leo Beyer)birth cert from UK BMD.
Sorry for all the questions, its hard to do the research over the pond here in Edmonton Alberta. So if you all think that Ancestry uk is a good use of my money and time, perhaps I should look into that.
Regards Alane
Yes Albert L Beyer could have left in 1925, I was only guessing as he married my Grandmother here in Edmonton in 1927.
Question: Do you think that the fathers would appear on Arthur and Marions marriage certificate as Hilary says. If so this would be great !
Would I get the certificate from the West Derby office?
Question: Would I get Arthurs death certificate from an office in Cheshire ?
Question: Is this Arthurs wife Under the Free BMD/uk: BEYER Louisa Harriet 85 Ellesmere 6a 425. I would think it is as not too many Beyers live there. Wonder if they are related as well ? Interesting she pops up Luisa Payer in Walton, the spelling is so off.
Question: Iam able to get the marriage certification of Louisa Pickering and Arthur Beyer in 1841. Would I contact the Walton Liverpool office ?
Question: How did you all find Gottilieb Ferdinand Beyer ? Was this in ancestry uk website. ? This I find very interesting and would like to find the Russian roots, I dont suppose it has a town in Russia he came from?
Would it be best for me to find all this information on Ancestry UK addition ? Or do I need to go to all the proper districts to get, marriage certs, Death Certs, Birth Certs. I did get my Grandfathers ( Albert Leo Beyer)birth cert from UK BMD.
Sorry for all the questions, its hard to do the research over the pond here in Edmonton Alberta. So if you all think that Ancestry uk is a good use of my money and time, perhaps I should look into that.
Regards Alane
The fathers names and occupations should appear on British marriage certificates. The references that Pegasus gave for the marriage and the death enable you to order the certificates online at www.gro.gov.uk each at a cost of £9.25.
The details for Gottlieb Ferdinand Beyer to Louisa Harriott Pickering are
Q4 1841 Gt Boughton 19 57 so you will also be able to order that from the same address I gave you above
The details for Gottlieb Ferdinand Beyer to Louisa Harriott Pickering are
Q4 1841 Gt Boughton 19 57 so you will also be able to order that from the same address I gave you above
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Hi Alane
Your happiness comes across!!
If you go to Cheshire BMD through Google you will find the marriage of
Gottlieb F Beyer to Louisa H Pickering
1841 at St James Christleton, Cheshire
Free BMD have the marriage also as Gottlieb Ferdinand Beyer
to Louisa Harriott Dec qtr 1841
volume number 19 page 57.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/cert ... efault.asp
You can order the marriage cert online quoting the details from Free BMD above.
Not sure how much it will cost but have to say, very reasonable compared to Aust. certs & excellent service, sometimes here in Oz with 10-12 days.
Just follow the prompts.
I can only answer one question at a time
Blame it on the heat..
Tina
oops Mary I only looked at page one.....
Your happiness comes across!!
If you go to Cheshire BMD through Google you will find the marriage of
Gottlieb F Beyer to Louisa H Pickering
1841 at St James Christleton, Cheshire
Free BMD have the marriage also as Gottlieb Ferdinand Beyer
to Louisa Harriott Dec qtr 1841
volume number 19 page 57.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/cert ... efault.asp
You can order the marriage cert online quoting the details from Free BMD above.
Not sure how much it will cost but have to say, very reasonable compared to Aust. certs & excellent service, sometimes here in Oz with 10-12 days.
Just follow the prompts.
I can only answer one question at a time
Blame it on the heat..
Tina
oops Mary I only looked at page one.....
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1894 Gores/Kellys Directory
Albert Beyer ships cook
89 Lambeth Rd Kirkdale.
Tina
Albert Beyer ships cook
89 Lambeth Rd Kirkdale.
Tina
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Double the help is better than none!Tina wrote:oops Mary I only looked at page one.....
says Mary staring out at another couple of inches of snow .... with the prospect of more up there!
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