mcgrady family

[toffeetower]

Hi Could anyone find any other info regarding my my family name mcgrady,i have found them in 1891 i think,but their names have changed to:

MCARADIE, Arthur Head Married M 49 1842 General Labourer Ireland
MCARADIE, Mary Wife Married F 48 1843 Ireland
MCARADIE, Dennis Son Single M 20 1871 Steamship Fireman Chorley<br>Lancashire
MCARADIE, Mary A Daughter Single F 18 1873 Flax Weaver Assistant Chorley<br>Lancashire
MCARADIE, William Son Single M 16 1875 Clerk Chorley<br>Lancashire
MCARADIE, Eliza I Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar Bootle<br>Lancashire
MCARADIE, Julia Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar Bootle<br>Lancashire
TRAINOR, Peter Lodger Single M 20 1871 Steamship Fireman Ireland

william aged 16 was my great grandad,his son edward mcgrady was my grandad! anychance of going back further?

thanks

[Blue70]

1871 Census Transcription
RG10 Piece: 4196 Folio: 6 Page: 6
Address: Bullough Cottage, High, Anglezark
Registration District: Chorley
Sub District: Rivington
Civil Parish: Anglezark
County: Lancashire

DENNIS, Denny Head M 49 1822 Ireland
DENNIS, Ann Wife F 51 1820 Ireland
DENNIS, James Son M 21 1850 Ireland
MCREADY, Arthur Step-Son M 32 1839 Ireland
MCREADY, Mary Daughter F 26 1845 Ireland
MCREADY, James Son M 6 1865 Ireland
MCREADY, Dennis Son M 2 1869 Lancashire


Blue

[toffeetower]

Hi Fellow blue (I think)
arthurs birth is 1939 on yours but 1842 on mine?
can it be the same one?
thanks toffeetower!

[Blue70]

Yes it will be the right one there's often a difference in ages on census returns. On a later census it says Mary was born in Belfast and their oldest son James was born in Dublin. No idea where Arthur was born.

COYB

(Come On You Blues!)

Blue

[toffeetower]

anyway of finding where he was born? other than ireland?
thanks
TOFFEETOWER

[dickiesam]

Hi Toffeetower,

Blue70 found the family in 1871 as I did and I thought I'd add some more detail for you...

DENNIS, Denny Head M 49 1822 - Labourer/excavator - bn Kildare, Ireland.
DENNIS, Ann Wife F 51 1820 - bn Armagh, Ireland.
DENNIS, James Son M 21 1850 - quarrier - bn Belfast, Ireland.
MCREADY, Arthur Step-Son M 32 1839 - Labourer/excavator - bn Portadown [Armagh], Ireland.
MCREADY, Mary Daughter F 26 1845 - bn Armagh, Ireland.
MCREADY, James Son M 6 1865 - bn Dublin, Ireland.
MCREADY, Dennis Son M 2 1869 - bn Chorley, Lancashire.

Births Dec qtr 1868> MACRADY, Dennis - Chorley - 8e - 452.

I'd say that the head of household's forename is not Denny. There are a couple of similar Irish 'familiar' names such as Dinny and Denny. I suspect his name was actually Dennis.

I wouldn't be at all concerned at the changes in the spelling of the surname. There was a high degree of illiteracy in those times especially among the Irish immigrants. In many cases the parents would know what their name sounded like but not the 'usual' spelling.

From the above I would say that the father Dennis and Arthur were in fact navvies [aka navigators], the men who actually dug the canals. They even have a quarryman in the family, an essential member of the canal gang. It would explain why the family moved around quite a bit, judging by the births. The family appear to have come over from Ireland between 1865 and 1868.

And the actual relationships could take some sorting out! Looks like the son Dennis bn 1868 is actually the son of Arthur and Mary Mcready. Arthur is a son-in-law and a step-son? And James and Dennis are g.children of Denny and Ann. You would need the birth certs for confirmation.

Using the 1891 family as a starter I tracked down these births:
Births Sep 1874> McReady, William - Chorley - 8e - 490.
Births Sep 1879> Macrady, Eliza Jane - W. Derby - 8b - 508.
Births Sep 1883> McReady, Julia - W. Derby - 8b - 485.

You give the name as McGrady and it possible that spelling 'migrated' from the variations I've seen. Could you tell us who your 'first' McGrady was and where you have found this ancestor?

Dickiesam

[toffeetower]

Could this be him

1871 census
RG10 4196 6 6
High Bullough Cottage Anglezark Lancs
DENNIS Denny h 49 Hildare
DENNIS Ann w 51 Armagh
DENNIS James s 21 Belfast Antrim
McREADY Arthur 32 stepson Lab'r Portadown son in law to Denny DENNIS
McREADY MAry 26 dau Armagh
McREADY James 6 Dublin
McREADY Dennis 2 Chorley

[toffeetower]

Hi Dickiesam

heres where I started

below is my grandad edward in about 1910/12, he was born in 1909

MCGRADY, WILLIAM HEAD MARRIED M 36 TIMBER MEASURER CHORLEY LANCASHIRE
MCGRADY, SUSANA WIFE MARRIED 16 YEARS F 35 BOOTLE LPOOL
MCGRADY, WILLIAM SON SINGLE M 15 BOOTLE LPOOL
MCGRADY, JAMES AUSTIN SON M 13 SCHOOL BOOTLE LPOOL
MCGRADY, FREDERICK SON M 11 SCHOOL BOOTLE LPOOL
MCGRADY, HARRY SON M 7 BOOTLE LPOOL
MCGRADY, EDWARD SON M 2 BOOTLE LPOOL
MCGRADY, JOHN SON M 7 MONTHS BOOTLE LPOOL
CONNOLLY, FREDERICK BOARDER SINGLE M 40 CARTER BOOTLE LPOOL
CONNOLLY, HARRY BOARDER SINGLE M 29 CARTER BOOTLE LPOOL

Address 9 BRIDGE ST BOOTLE County Lancashire

then from there I got this in 1891

Name Relation Condition ********** Age BirthYear Occupation , Disability Where Born
MCARADIE, Arthur Head Married M 49 1842 General Labourer Ireland
MCARADIE, Mary Wife Married F 48 1843 Ireland
MCARADIE, Dennis Son Single M 20 1871 Steamship Fireman Chorley<br>Lancashire
MCARADIE, Mary A Daughter Single F 18 1873 Flax Weaver Assistant Chorley<br>Lancashire
MCARADIE, William Son Single M 16 1875 Clerk Chorley<br>Lancashire
MCARADIE, Eliza I Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar Bootle<br>Lancashire
MCARADIE, Julia Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar Bootle<br>Lancashire
TRAINOR, Peter Lodger Single M 20 1871 Steamship Fireman Ireland

hope im on the right trail!!! lol

[dickiesam]

Found this in 1901!
MCCREADIE, Arthur - Head - Married - 58 - 1843 - Tramcar Driver - Ireland.
MCCREADIE, Mary - Wife - Married - 53 - 1848 - Ireland.
MCCREADIE, Julia - Dtr - U/m - 18 - 1883 - Jute Weaver - Liverpool.
Address: 29 Johnstone Street, Bootle cum Linacre.
RG13 Piece: 3459 / Folio:152 / Page:8

Dickiesam

[toffeetower]

thanks dickiesam

so it looks as though arthur was born in 1839 in portadown armagh then,
could we trace arthurs parents through that?and so arthur married mary dennis also from armagh!

[dickiesam]

thanks dickiesam

so it looks as though arthur was born in 1839 in portadown armagh then,
could we trace arthurs parents through that?and so arthur married mary dennis also from armagh!

Hi,
Before you head off down the Irish records route, I suggest we should confirm you have the right William McGrady from Chorley.

Just found this marriage which might be him:
Marriages Dec 1895> McGrady, William and Connolly, Susan - W.Derby - 8b - 925.
This appears to be the most probable marriage and you should get the marriage cert to confirm his father's name and occupation.

Stop Press! William and Susana are here in 1901:
RG13 Piece:3459 / Folio:112 / Page:60.
Address: 6 Bridge Street, Bootle cum Linacre.

DS

[toffeetower]

I have this on file too!! it dosent take much to confuse me,but!!!
IM CONFUSED LOL!! :oops:What does this mean then?

[dickiesam]

RE:

What does this mean then?

Not sure what you are referring to! In 1901 William and Susan(a) are with their 3 eldest sons before Harry and Edward, your ancestor, were born. If it is the marriage, you do need to confirm that William's father was the 1891 Arthur Macaradie/Mcready/McCreadie etc born in Portadown, Co Armagh.

A birth cert for one of the children would confirm the 1895 marriage as being correct or not and I suggest you go for that first, probably Edward's, your g.father.

DS

[toffeetower]

ahhh I see,sorry im not very good at this,thankyou,

[dickiesam]

Hi Toffeetower,
RE:

ahhh I see,sorry im not very good at this,thankyou,

No worries! Very few of us were when we started out on the family history trail.

DS

[Blue70]

Well spotted DS.

Blue

[dickiesam]

Re that William McGrady and Susan Connolly marriage.. just found this baptism which appears to confirm its the right marriage.

http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/index.htm

ST WINIFRED - bn 1900 - bapt 1900 - FREDERICK McGRADY - Parents WILLIAM and SUSANNAH McGrady [nee CONNELLY].

Dickiesam

[dickiesam]

I posted the census page reference earlier but thought I'd better post the whole entry because there's something quite interesting in it, enough to trigger that old dog-with-a-bone instinct!

1901:
MCGRADY, William - Head - Md - 26 - 1875 - Measurer Timber Trade - Chorley, Lancashire.
MCGRADY, Susana - Wife - 25 - 1876 - Bootle.
MCGRADY, William - Son - 4 - 1897 - Bootle.
MCGRADY, James A - Son - 3 - 1898 - Bootle.
MCGRADY, Frederick - Son - 1 - 1900 - Bootle.
MCHENRY, Margaret - Servant - U/m - 17 - 1884 - General (Domestic) - Liverpool.
CALDER, Edward - Son-In-Law - Married - 21 - 1880 - General Carter - Liverpool.
CALDER, Bella - Dtr - Married - 19 - 1882 - Southport.
CALDER, Tom - Grand Son - 0 (11 MOS) - 1900 - Bootle.
Address: 6 Bridge Street, Bootle cum Linacre.
RG number: RG13 / Piece:3459 / Folio:112 / Page:60.

So! Whose daughter is Bella? She can't belong to W and S.
Marriages Sep 1899> W. Derby - 8b - 785: Calder, Edward to Rice, Isabella.

In 1891 there's only one Bella [Isobella] Rice and she's in Salford and born in Dublin. Had she been married before but she's only 19? The plot thickens?

Dickiesam

[toffeetower]

Hi DS
After looking at this closely a few friends have all agreed its a mistake,the calders arent related to us,we think they might have missed their address off the census! but down to freddy is the mcgradys though!
thanks mark

[toffeetower]

So where to from here,im lost again
If we have confirmed the right william mcgrady,does this lead us to Arthur?