Searching Williams/Asworth Islington

[jimdene]

Thanks for that Mary. I will follow it up

[ploegc]

This is a fascinating read, my Grandmother is Eva Peers. Grandma was sent to Canada in 1914. We know very little of her history and have been attempting to find the family for years.

[dickiesam]

Hi ploegc and welcome,
I suggest you start a new topic and allow some fresh eyes to look for Eva Peers' history? Lots of help on this forum.

How old was Eva in 1914 and did she have any siblings you are aware of? About 1910ish there were only 6 possible Evas of the right ages to be 'forced' child migrants and sent to Canada.

Dickiesam

[ploegc]

I will do, thanks for your reply. I have the same history as Jimdene shows in his Jan 31/10 posting. If I'm placing all the details together, my father and Jimdene are cousins. Eva Peers --- DOB Oct 9 1903. left Liverpool May 1, 1915 arrived in Canada May 10, 1915.

[jimdene]

Hello Carol
Thanks for the email. It is always satisfying when a connection is made from all of the names that we research.
As I have mentioned in the Lancs forum, I first noticed Eva Peers as cousin in the 1911 census for George Williams’ family, which was a great help in establishing a real connection with the George Williams’ family who I thought , but was never sure, were my ancesters,due to so many of that name.
I have Eva’s Birth certicate, a copy I will send to you, along with mother Sarah Frances nee Williams’ line, plus William Henry Peers and Sarah Frances Williams’ marriage certificate
I would be pleased to receive information relating to Eva following that 1911 Census
Regards Jim Williams

[ploegc]

Sarah Frances Peers later married into the Beavers family. As I understand she had at least two daughers from this marriage. I am awaiting information to confirm that both daughters died along with their spouses and children in the 1940 Durning Shelter. Grandma always told a story to this effect, but we've had little detail until recent weeks.

My sister has additional information, I will see her over the holidays and forward to you soon.

[dickiesam]

Hello Carol,
Hope I got the name right?
Noticed you mentioned a tragic WW2 incident in Durning Road in 1940. This site might help you find the casualties related to your family. Simply type Durning into the search box to get the known casualty lists. Many victims of the bombing could not be identified.

http://www.liverpoolatwar.co.uk/

You will find even greater coverage of the tragedy here with photos of the damage and a casualty list. Scroll down the left hand side to Durning Shelter.
http://liverpoolremembrance.weebly.com/

Dickiesam

[ploegc]

Thanks for the information, I believe the Price and McCloud family are related. Both Daughters of Sarah Frances Peers, who later married James Beavers.

[Tina]

Hi
Sabrina E Beavers rego 1st 1913 W Dby mothers maiden Williams
Marr Sabrina George PRICE 1932 Lancs BMD

Jean H Beavers marr William T McCloud1932
Tox Pk St Clements Lancs BMD
Sadly there is an Ivy Beavers bn W Dby maiden Williams bn 1915 died aged 2 yrs in 1917 Lpool.
I feel Jean H could have been Jane H (Jane Hannah) in 1910 birth, too early for mothers maiden name.
Possibly James was with another wife in the census between 1910/1912 ??



I hope this is of some help.
Tina

[dickiesam]

I feel Jean H could have been Jane H (Jane Hannah) in 1910 birth

Re Tina's post as above...

Beavers, Jane Hannah bn 1910. Parents: James W and Fanny Beavers, bn 1878 & 1881 respectively. No sign of a marriage though, 1910 back to 1905.

Dickiesam

[Tina]

Thanks D.S
There was also little James aged 2 in 'THAT' census.
Have I the right James Beavers?
I may have got it all wrong about Jean H and Jane H??
Tks
Tina

[jimdene]

Carol, I was hoping to send a copy of the Birth certificate of Eva Peers and marriage certificate of William and Sarah, but the reproduction was rather faint.
The Birth certificate reads:
Registration District: Liverpool
Sub district: Mount Pleasant.
9 Oct 1903 Lying in Hospital Eva daughter of William Henry Peers. Naval Seaman
Mother: Sarah Francis Peers formerly Williams 48a Shenstone Street
Registered: 20 October 1903

Marriage solemnized at The Parish Church of St. Chad, Everton
14 June 1903 William Henry Peers age 26 Bachelor AB Royal Navy, 47 Nesfield St.. Father: Henry Peers (deceased) Coppersmith
married,
Sarah Francis Williams age 23 Spinster of 47 Nesfield St.. father George Williams (deceased) Painter.
(In my mother's diary, there is an address entry dated 1904 for 47 Nesfield)
I would be interested to know what documentation you have leading up to finding Eva Peers
Regards
Jim Williams

[jimdene]

Tina
"Sabrina E Beavers rego 1st 1913 W Dby mothers maiden Williams
Marr Sabrina George PRICE 1932 Lancs BMD "

As Sarah Francis Williams married William Peers in 1903 and supposing William died in between times, one would think she would have used Peers as a maiden name, do you think, although she may have wished to use Williams?

I have had no luck finding Sarah Francis Peers or William Henry Peers in the 1911 Census, when daughter Eva was living with George Williams and family,
not surprising for a Navy Rating. Maybe she was away with him at Devonport, Chatham or Harwich.?

[Tina]

Hi
Shenstone St was off Wavertree Rd, Edge Hill end.
Nesfield St was between Walton Lane & Sleepers Hill Everton.
Tina

[dickiesam]

Hello Jim,
RE:

I would be interested to know what documentation you have leading up to finding Eva Peers

This is what lead me to start looking for an Eva Peers, posted by Ploegc on Page 2 of this thread:

This is a fascinating read, my Grandmother is Eva Peers. Grandma was sent to Canada in 1914. We know very little of her history and have been attempting to find the family for years.

There are further posts and responses in connection with Ploegc's family.

Couldn't find William H in the census after this one:
1901> Peers, William Henry - Crew - U/m - 23 - 1878 - A B - bn Rock Ferry, Cheshire.
Address: HMS Undaunted, 1st Class Cruiser - Plymouth, Devonshire.
RG number: RG13 / Piece:2103 / Folio:101 / Page:5.

I confirmed his place of birth etc here in 1881:
PEERS, Henry - Head - Md - 26 - 1855 - Baker & Grocers Vanman - Higher Bebington, Cheshire.
PEERS, Elvina - Wife - Md - 27 - 1854 - Laundress - Kimpton, Cheshire.
PEERS, William H - Son - 3 - 1878 - Rock Ferry, Cheshire.
PEERS, Margaret S - Dtr - 1 - 1880 - New Ferry, Cheshire.
Address: 17 New Ferry Lane, Lower Bebington, Cheshire.
RG number: RG11 / Piece:3571 / Folio:23 / Page: 40.

No luck so far finding Sarah or William in 'all counties' in the census we can't mention, neither have I found a matching death for either leading up to it.

Dickiesam

[jimdene]

Hello Tina
I was visiting my Dad's area a couple of years ago when I was on holiday to the UK.. Just a part of Nesfield and Rubens remained and so I couldn't imagine what it originally looked like.
Dad was a residential supporter of Gillingham Football Club, but a lifelong supporter of Liverpool, although I believe that area was Everton. Would that be something to do with that stupid religious business.

“Beavers, Jane Hannah bn 1910. Parents James W and Fanny Beavers bn 1878 & 1881 respectively.
This must be:
1881 census
Williams George 34
Williams Elizabeth 35
Williams George 8
Williams Annie 6
Williams Mary 3
Williams Fanny 2

14 June 1903
Sarah Francis Williams (Fanny) age 23 married William Henry Peers age 26.
Therefore William Henry Peers died between 1903 and 1910, and we are looking for a Peers Widow married James W Beavers between those dates. Would you agree?
Regards
Jim Williams

[jimdene]

Hello Dickiesam
Is there another post, as I can't find:
"Couldn't find William H in the census etc:

[dickiesam]

Hi Jim,
Re:

Therefore William Henry Peers died between 1903 and 1910, and we are looking for a Peers Widow married James W Beavers between those dates. Would you agree?

In the absence of a Beavers/Peers or Beavers/Williams marriage I suspect we may have to consider a case of desertion with Sarah leaving William, perhaps when she became pregnant with Jane Hannah Dec qtr 1910.

Fanny and James Beavers are living at 47 Wilfer Street, Edge Hill, Liverpool at a time we can't mention, with Jane Hannah and James bn abt 1909. Say they've been married 1 year (!) but there's no marriage to find.

Another twist? Didn't find a birth for James Beaver but did find: Births Dec 1908> Peers, James - Wirral - 8a - 397.
And Wirral would include the former 'home area' or birthplace of William Henry Peers.

However, there were a number of Peers families in the area so the birth may not be relevant. William Henry had a brother John bn abt 1882 and according to the 1891 their mother was widowed [RG12 -2892 - 17 - 27]. By 1901 she appears to have married a Williams but has been widowed for a second time [RG13 - 3798 - 143 - 52]. John is with her and 3 step-siblings.

Dickiesam

[dickiesam]

Hello Dickiesam
Is there another post, as I can't find:
"Couldn't find William H in the census etc:

Hi Jim,
Just me being a little discreet....
"Couldn't find William H in the census after this one:"

This one being the 1901 as listed in the post headed 'William Henry and Eva Peers' in the Subject box, so the 'census after this one' is the one we can't mention!

DS

[dickiesam]

Hi,
Meant to post this earlier...

Extract from the passenger list which I believe contains the names of 67 children being 'shipped' out to Canada under the now infamous scheme to deal with homelessness and overflowing orphanages etc. The oldest was 18 and the youngest an infant aged 3 and her name was Marie Cliffe.

Name: Eva PEERS
Date of Birth: 1904; Age: 11; Female;
Date of departure: 1 May 1915
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: St Johns NF, Canada
Passenger destination: St Johns NF, Canada
Ship: SCANDINAVIAN
Allan Line Steamship Co. Ltd. Montreal, Canada.

Dickiesam