Relationship confusion. Can someone help?

[colette]

Hi

1891 says she is 34 so born c 1857,which is about right.. 1911 she has taken some years of herself lots of peoples ages are out on the census some are way out.

[dlh1]

On the 1891 census I found it says she is 24. I found it on ancestry. Her name is spelt Ann Dreaper.

Dan

[colette]

Hi

regarding the Ellen Draper or Shiels as it says on the baptism this could well be another child of Ann's to have two surnames means she has given the fathers surname as well as her own.. the child was registered Draper Dec 1900 and also died Dec 1900

[colette]

Sorry

I stand corrected it says 24, still think it should say 34 though..you dont happen to have that marriage cert for James Draper to Ann Huff do you ???

[dlh1]

No I don't have the marriage cert. I'm off to the record office tomorrow for a whole day of research so I'll take a look then and get the detail. Hopefully the Huff is a mistake ind it should be Hough. That would make things 10x easier. I suppose you wouldn't pronounce Hough as Huff wouldn't you?

[colette]

Hiya

i guess you could say Hoff or Hougggggggh like when you huff and puff

could do with finding this Ann Hough's siblings marriages

Just found Margaret Freeman living next door to Ann Draper in 1891 she is the lady on Henry Nolans baptism so we deffo have the right woman in 1891.

are there any other Godparents names on Bernard or Charles's baptisms

[dlh1]

Bernard Draper godmother = Elizabeth Holden
Charles Draper godmother = Catherine Holden
Ellen Draper b.1900 godmother = Elizabeth Olde (could be Holden) possibly!!

There's a lot you can learn from godmothers!!!

[MaryA]

This thread is showing typical examples of the guesswork involved by ministers/census enumerators etc. especially when the person concerned may have been illiterate.

I would pronounce Hough as Huff, so I would think it the right person. Just my opinion.

[dickiesam]

I second MaryA on the name. I'd definitely go with Hough as being the 'correct' spelling, while pronounced Huff. Same as Gough pronounced Goff. Oh the beautiful vagaries of the English language!

Anyway Hough fits with this birth which also matches her given age in 1891:
Births Mar 1867> Hough, Anne - W. Derby - 8b - 576.

It looks like she was only 17 when she had her first child James and lost her husband when she was about 21.
Deaths Dec 1888> Draper, James - 27 - Liverpool - 8b - 88.

The above birth gives 2 possibilities in 1871. Parents John and Ann Hough - RG10 /3815 / 62 / 11 and parents William and Margaret Hough - RG10 / 3793 / 78 / 29. Given that Ann named her second child John and her own forename is Ann, I'd be inclined to go for the first couple.

Dickiesam

[dlh1]

Excellent work everyone.

Members on this forum really are very good. This family history work is very addictive. I love detective work!

Now I'm off to the record office to find marriage certs for Bernard and Charles to finally see if they have a father's name on the certificates!

[dickiesam]

Re 1881 Census.. H
Haven't yet found the parents John and Ann Hough but have found a young Ann Hough, a very likely candidate:

HOUGH, Annie - aged 12.
Address: Toxteth Park Girls Industrial School, 24 Dingle Lane, Toxteth Park.
RG11 / Piece:3645 / Folio:79 / Page:11.

Dickiesam

[Katie]

Keep whittling away and the answers will surely pop up!

As I always say to the many visitors who come to our help desk, the answers are there you just have to find them!