Park Family

[sailorden1]

Hi

At the moment I'm trying to find two things about my Grandfather (Thomas Park (1891-1964). I have his birth cert and then he seems to disapear until he was about 18-20 when he reappears as a lodger in his sisters house.

His parents seem to have split up and there was a suggestion that he went to Kirkdale workhouse.

Also I have his death cert (3rd Feb 1964) - Newsham hospital, Anfield

So two questions
1. How do I find out if he was in the Workhouse (list of inmates?)
2. How do I find his grave?
I would like to visit it

Any help that you could give would be welcome

Thanks
Dennis Park

[Tina]

Hi Dennis
We need to know his parents names etc from birth cert to trace him in 1901 & the following census also occupations, addresses.
Any info too, you may have when he married.
Do you know when he was living with his sister??
Sorry about the questions, but for us to pinpoint him in the workhouse and the parents being separated, we need to have a few more details.
Thank you and all the best

Tina

[sailorden1]

Hi

Here is some info about Thomas Park

Born : 24th Oct 1891 Parents : William Robert Park (Cotton Porter) & Mary Alice Park (nee Barnes). However she seems to use the names Alice Ann & Mary Alice).

Address at birth 4h/4c Knight street LSD.( whats's lsd? Well thats what it looks like)

Birth registered 13th Nov 1891.

Married : Louisa Johnson (Widow) 27th July 1920

Various addresses : 25/26 Scarsdale Road, L 11, 17 lytton St & 24 Westbourne St.

Occupation ; Druggists assistant, Messenger etc etc

Died : 3rd Feb 1964 Newsham Hospital, Anfield.

I think that I have him in the 1911 Census living with his sister and brother in law at 17 Lytonn Street (Anne & Joesph Worrall) aged 18.

So I have his birth,death and marriage cert and a 'sighting' in 1911 aged 18 but that's about it.

So he was born (dissaperared until Eighteen) then Married my Grandmother and then had a family etc .

It was suggested that his mum and dad split up (and you can follow his mum and dad at seperate locations via the various census's) and that he went to the Kirkdale Workhouse (maybe)

But I dont have any inmate lists for the workhouse or where he is burried (I should have asked my Dad before he passed away)

Any help would be good. I can try and get more info if it would help, let me know.

Thanks in advance
Regards
Dennis Park

[dickiesam]

Hello Denis
RE:

It was suggested that his mum and dad split up (and you can follow his mum and dad at separate locations via the various censuses)

Can you either post the ages of the parents at marriage..
Marriages Dec 1879> Barnes, Alice Ann to Park, William Robert - Liverpool - 8b - 77.
or, the census page references where we can find them, starting with 1891?

Thomas was a bit too young to run away to sea or join the Army before 1901!
He has to be somewhere.. with g.parents etc?

Dickiesam

[sailorden1]

Hi,

His Parents were

William Robert Park (1857) & Alice Ann Barnes (c1859)- She also seems to appear as Mary Alice?

Married : Dec 1879 Liverpool 8b 77 Liverpool St John

You can follow William Robert Park from the 1871- 1911 census. Alice is a bit more challanging but she is in the 1861 & 1911 census. 1911 living with her Son and Daughter in Law (as Alice) & 1861 living with her Dad (John Barnes)

Let me know if you need some more.

Thanks
Dennis Park

[simone]

Hi

A long shot I know... a very long shot but any connections to Ulverston and any other siblings?
1901
4 Park children in Ulvertson Workhouse... no place of birth listed as
PARK, THOMAS
RG13; Piece: 4005; Folio: 63; Page: 5.

Simone x

[simone]

There is 9 year old Alice Park in Kirkdale industrial School in 1901,

RG13; Piece: 3472; Folio: 257; Page: 16

[simone]

hmmmm, Thomas Peark
1901
RG13; Piece: 3414; Folio: 93; Page: 16.


interesting that Catherine Barnes with this family
John Flood 38
Alice Flood 31
Maggie Flood 8
Alice Flood 4
John Flood 2
Catherine Barnes 60 wid
Margaret Peark 42 m
Thomas Peark 8
Lizzie Peark 2

Simone

[simone]

1861 census
at Bond Street
RG9; Piece: 2652; Folio: 175; Page: 42
Joseph Mitchell 47
Mary Ann Mitchell 35
Lucy Mitchell 4
Catharine Mitchell 3
John Barnes 23 Carter b Liverpool
Catharine Barnes 23 b Liverpool
Alice Barnes 2 b Liverpool
William Barnes 2 MO


so reckon that coulf be Thomas in 1901

not sure who Margaret is yet.. an aunt perhaps

Simone x

[simone]

Not sure about this family in 1871.. but possible

RG10; Piece: 3762; Folio: 20; Page: 38
Epson Street
John Byrne 33 b Ireland, Labourere
Catherine Byrne 31
Mary A Byrne 8 b Liverpool
John Byrne 6
Patrick Byrne 2

[colette]

Been looking around and wrote this this morning had to go out so just posting it now.


Marriage William Robert Park - Alice Ann Barnes St John 1879

1881 50 Devon St

William R Park b 1859 Lpool Druggist Assistant
Alice A b 1860 Lpool

1891 Annie age 11, Catherine age 8 & John age 1 are with Williams brother John Park and his wife Mary down as Nieces and Nephew, not sure where Mary who should be 4 and William R who should be 7 are as i can't find William & Alice..seems a bit odd

1901 Rose Vale Everton

William R Park 44 Porter b Lpool Married
Dau Annie age 19 b Lpool
Son William R age 17 b Lpool
Dau Mary age 14 b Lpool
Son John age 13 b Lpool

c 1911/12 17 Lytton St Everton

Joseph Worrall b 1882 Lpool Railway Lab..
Anne b 1882 Lpool
Dau Agnes b 1908 Lpool
Dau Anne b 1909 Lpool
Dau Mary b 1911 Lpool
Brother In Law John Park b 1889 Lpool
Brother In Law Thomas Park b 1893 Lpool

c1911/12 Crown St Lodging House by the looks of it..

William R Park Married 31 years 13 kids 7 died 6 living

Not sure where Alice is in 1901 & 1911

lots of baptisms on Lpool History Projects site

Ann 1882 St Colubus per IGI
father Will Robert mother Alice A.

William Robert 1883 St Peter mother Alice

Catherine 1884 census 1891
Mary 1886 census 1901

John 1889 St Peter mother Mary Alice father Will Robert
Thomas 1891 mother Mary Alice Father Will Robert

Joseph 1893 mother Mary Alice father Will Robert
Alfred 1895 St Anthony mother Alice
Alexis & Margaret Ellen 1897 St Peter died 1897 mother Mary Alice father Will Robert

Elizabeth 1898 St Peter mother Mary Alice father Will Robert

going by the 1911 William Robert did say he had 13 kids in total 7 dying

1911ish

72 Phythian St

William Robert Park age 27 Printer
Alice 25
Mother ALICE AGE 60 MARRIED
Son William Robert age 2
Sister Elizabeth age 12

so they deffo dont live together.

1901 Thomas has to be with his mother along with Elizabeth, the Peark kids seem right to me .

xx

[simone]

Hi Col

so do you reckon Margaret is Mary Alice

Simone x

[colette]

Haaaaaaaaaaaa

how many names does this woman have

well in 1881 she is aged 21 1891 cannot find her 1901 this Margaret is 42 so its looking good.

we need to find her in 1891.. maybe find Catherine and she might be with her..i am having a job finding Catherine though..if she had a rocky marriage with Wiliam Robert how come there were loads of kids she would be pregnant with Thomas when the 1891 was taken.

It doesnt look like her mother Catherine remarried if she is Barnes still in 1901..shes had a real rough time between 1891 and 1901 losing 4 children maybe more.

xx

[Blue70]

The letters that look like LSD are more likely to say USD (Urban Sanitary District) here is more information about these districts:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitary_district


Blue

[sailorden1]

All,

All I can say is WOW, good work you have it cracked!

Here is the story ; William Robert Married Alice Barnes and had heaps of kids.

However they broke up and Alice took the youngest of the kids with her to stay with her mother.

Maybe she did not want to be found so in the Census paperwork she changed Park to Peark and slipped in a first name change to Margaret for good measure.

When the children were oldr she went to live with her eldest son (William) and my grand father (Thomas Park) went to live with his elder sister. IT FITS WELL DONE ALL!

Maybe William Robert Park was a bit handy with his hands so that she left and went for a name change when the children were young. After all it seems he ended his years alone in a Boarding house.

As far as the workhouse in Ulverstone there are a lot of Parks in that area, if fact this line of Parks comes from John Park (1771) married to Hannah they were living in Broughton in Furness in the 1841 Census.

I will add a thread for John later when we have finished this challange, that one will be a lot tougher!!

Anyway - one open question

Thomas Park (1891 - 1964) died aged 72. Newsham Hospital, Anfield (3rd Feb 1964)

Where is he buried ?? I would love to visit him and hopefully my Grandma Louise Park ( nee Johnson, nee Farrell).

Can you let me know how to get this final bit of information and I will head to Liverpool.

Thanks a million for your help so far, a couple of strokes of genius from you guys (peark) instead of Park, and a whole heap of baptisms etc.

Kind Regards
Dennis Park

[sailorden1]

Hi

By the way Thomas birth date seems to move about from 1891 to 1893. Its 1891 on his birth cert, but Ive quite often seen dates move arround on census forms.

My wife always seems to get younger of census forms and my religion is Jedi Knight (8% of the Population!)

Thanks
Dennis Park

[simone]

He could be in Anfield Cemetery/Crematorium.

You have a date of death, so they may tell you if you telephone

http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/Community_a ... /index.asp

Otherwise a look at the burial records at Liverpool Record Office..

Other possible cemetries I think would be

Everton
West Derby
Kirkdale

Good Luck Dennis, hope you find him

Simone x

[sailorden1]

Thanks all. I will work to fill in some gaps.

I will post another more tasking question tomorrow.

You guys are experts so I guess that you will just solve this one in a blink as well!!!

Thanks again
Dennis Park (or Peark!)

[colette]

Hi

where was Thomas & Louise living when he died ???

xx

[Katie]

You could also look in The Liverpool Echo to see if the family inserted a obituary for him which may also give the place of buriel.