Thomas Hickling WW1 help please Kings 17btn

Post by **Tina** » 19 Nov 2010 09:33

Hi cuz Tommy & myself have drawn a huge blank with Anc@
Thomas Hickling 1896 Garston was with the above, after WW1 he signed on again & went to Russia where his bessie mate Cyril Maher was killed in 1919. Thomas stayed in the Army & served in India until he came back in the 1930s.
I cannot find anything for him.
Cyril is there, signed on in Seaforth, his medal record & his death & memorial in Archangel Russia.
I'd like to post Cyril's medal card as such a lot of writing.
There's also a card for Thomas and I think some of the numbers are the same.
Thos also had a bro Leonard bn 1900 who served in WW1 probably lied about his age?? Mesopatamia.
Thanks Daggers & Co for any help.
Tina

Post by **MaryA** » 19 Nov 2010 09:37

November always brings our military men to the forefront. Good luck finding out a bit more about him our Teen.

Post by **Tina** » 19 Nov 2010 09:44

Lovely post Mary, many thanks.
Cuz Tommy as you know has been a good helper here with our Garston/Wavertree connections.
The Hickling bros are our Gt Gt Uncles.
Poor Cyril, another Garston lad who survived WW1.
The 17th btn were still on active service in 1919.
As we always say Mary, Lest We Forget.

Tina

Post by **daggers** » 19 Nov 2010 11:03

Tina
There are two MICs for Thomas Hickling, KLR - the one you have posted and one for 57045. I do not have Ancestry but you may be able to find the second one.
CWGC has two Hicklings in the KLR:

Name: HICKLING, THOMAS
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: The King's (Liverpool Regiment)
Unit Text: 18th (Lancashire Hussars) Bn.
Date of Death: 10/10/1918
Service No: 57045
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 3 and 4.
Memorial: VIS-EN-ARTOIS MEMORIAL

Name: HICKLING, ALBERT ERNEST
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: The King's (Liverpool Regiment)
Unit Text: 20th Bn.
Age: 38
Date of Death: 07/08/1916
Service No: 36654
Additional information: Son of the late Joseph and Jane Hickling, of Peterborough. Teacher under the Liverpool Education Committee from 1898 to 1916.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Plot 2. Row A. Grave 54.
Cemetery: CORBIE COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION

I have not properly read the thread....
I've got to deal with the window cleaner, so I'll be back
Daggers

Post by **daggers** » 19 Nov 2010 11:45

Back to the serious stuff:
the other MIC for the other Thomas Hickling must relate to the one who died in Oct 1918. Is he related?

Your Tommy, 201334 did not earn the 1915 Star so must have reached France after the qualifying date, but has the other two of the three campaign medals: Victory and British War Medals. If he stayed in the army after the war it is likely that his record will still be in official hands and not destroyed in the WW2 blitz like so many others. If I am right, you should try this site for proper details. I think they ask for £30 stg, need some proof of family link, and take many weeks to deliver, if they have the records. I have not tried it myself.
http://www.veterans-uk.info/

17th Battalion KLR went to Russia in June 1918. The 18th merged with the Lancashire Hussars [previously Territorials, cavalry] in August 1918.
There is an excellent book on the 4 Liverpool Pals Battalions by the late Graham Maddocks, which tells the whole story, from August 1914 to the Russia episode, but it is large format in the version I have and hard to scan or copy from. A newer edition is more manageable.

Hope this helps.
Daggers

Post by **daggers** » 19 Nov 2010 11:52

More:
Leonard Hickling - there are three MICs, none for a KLR man. One in Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry, one Leicestershire Regt and one Royal Engineers.
Looking their MICs up will give you their numbers which helps with the Anc search.
Good hunting.
As they used to say after a briefing, any questions?!
D

Post by **Mark Abbott** » 19 Nov 2010 15:53

201334 is a territorial number. As he does not have a four figure number, he will not have joined prior to 1917 when the territorial force received the new 6 figure numbers.

I think (and stand to be corrected) that the number is in the 5th Btn block.

Post by **Tina** » 20 Nov 2010 08:35

Thanks so much to you guys

.
Tom joined at the same time as Cyril in 1914 so Mark's info on the rego number on medal card I sent, cannot be him.
It was a long shot

Tommy and I have researched the Archangel area in WW1 and WW2.
It's ironic Cyril should be remembered on the memorial there, as before WW1 the trees were cut down for timber & sent to Garston docks.
What a remote place yet so essential in both wars to Britain. Murmansk/White Sea/Bering Straits etc etc.
Just to say both Len & Tom returned to Garston to their Grannie's in uniform, covered in muck from where they had been.
Not sure of the year, perhaps demobbed??
I'll follow up the links and let cuz Tommy pay the 30 quid

Tina

Post by **Katie** » 20 Nov 2010 11:59

Let me think on the Hickling Tina I know there was some people at the records office researching that name some time ago and they were London Hicklings.

Post by **Tina** » 20 Nov 2010 22:19

Thanks Katie!!
We think the father also Thomas may have come from Leicestershire.

Tina

Post by **Katie** » 23 Nov 2010 06:47

Hi Tina

It may be worthwhile getting in touch with J. Deveruex who has researched the King's Liverpool Regiment for many years. see below link

http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/p ... ight=kings

He may take time getting back in touch with you but he has lots of research material on the KLR

Post by **Tina** » 23 Nov 2010 08:04

I shall do that Katie & many thanks for the link.
Would you believe when I went to my library yesterday, looking through returns I saw a book my Aussie author Peter Watt, I love his stuff especially about pioneers/convicts. He's a bit like Wilbur Smith.
Anyway this one was called The Frozen Circle, it's about an Oz soldier who stays on in WW1 & goes to Archangel to fight the Bolsheviks.
Yes, I borrowed it!!

Tina