ARCHER FAMILY MYSTERY.... PLS HELP

[colette]

Possible Red Herring i think its because Robert had a brother named Edward and we dont know where Robert was born not Middlesex going by 1841.
He could even be from Barbados haaaaaaaaa his brother Edward and wife Ann must have lived in Liverpool for a spell at least, and the way Ann says in the letter she is in good terms with Roberts mother makes you think she too could live near Ann, she can't live near Robert if she needs to write to him..
So the Walton family are still in the running, just thinking if James was a Flour Dealer maybe his dad Edward was too, can't find ref to him poll books directories etc...


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[colette]

Hi all

this book gives the names of all Archer BMD'S in Barbados..

http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/docum ... 424&REC=10

After taking a look Anthony Archer did marry Mary Gilkes and had one son named Anthony born b 1769 bap 1770

He then married Mary Hollingsworth 1776 her being born St Lucy 1755 her father John, his parents Edward & Elizabeth..

children Ann Hollingsworth Archer 1778 Edward Archer b 1780 Benjamin 1782, William b 1786 & John b 1788

Will....
Death Anthony Archer 20/11.1795 St Lucy wife Mary Son Edward to get Adjoining Land by Cluffs Bay sons Benjamin, William,Anthony mentioned

What i am thinking is why would it take 8 years to tell a Nephew his uncle had died personaly i dont think Anthony is the uncle

Son Edward seems to inherit he marries Elizabeth Griffith Yearwood 1801 and has children Edward Isly Archer 1802 William Thomas 1803, John Hollingsworth Archer 1805 he died 1821, Mary Laurintina Archer 1808, Thomas Griffith Archer 1809, William Anthony Archer 1810, James Howard Archer 1812 became Policeman in Grenada,Georgina Archer 1814, Elizabeth Griffith Archer 1817 died 1817,
ALL CHILDREN BORN AT CLUFFS PLANTATION ST LUCY...............so Anthony had enough family of his own to leave his estate too....

Looking at deaths c 1801-1803 theres realy only a John Archer of St Lucy he leaves all his estate to his mother Jane Archer.. and mentions an uncle John Archer and his daughter Mary Archer...

Also in 1802 Johns mother Jane dies nothing about a will...




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[colette]

Hi all

this site (which i wished i had found earlier) lists descendants of Edward Archer & Elizabeth Bullen parents of Anthony.

http://archerfamilytree.blogspot.com/

[simone]

thanks Col... you are a little gem

The other thing I am thinking is taht if Robert was apprenticed to Gillows, he was probably quite young.. didn't apprenticeships usually start as boys? So he was probably in London from a young age

Simone x

[simone]

From Annette

[

i]The old letter sent from Liverpool, addressed to Robert Archer at Mr Gillows and dated July 8th 1803 or 1808, says in brief:

Dear brother, I have to communicate a circumstance that has occurred in the Liverpool papers concerning the death of your uncle in North America which if the will is not administered to before the 26 of September will be null and void. My husband being the heir when living and now no more nothing can be done without your consent. The property is thirty thousand pounds. Your mother and me is on the best terms and you may expect a letter as soon as mine, your nephew is in good health and mother in good spirits knowing that you are out of the frowns of the world. I congratulate you and remain your affectionate sister, Anne Archer.[/i]

power of attorney -referred to in the letter from Sarah Rebecca and Joseph Read in Philadelphia

"Whereas Robert Archer, formerly of Liverpool, Lancashire, England, now deceased, was entitled to certain interests from his uncle, now deceased, and whereas the said Robert Archer did not collect or receive said 'interests', and that his legal representatives are about to make a claim by prosecution at law for the recovery of all claims......we Joseph Read and Sarah Rebecca Read his wife (formerly Sarah Rebecca Norwood, daughter of William Norwood of no. 26 Windmill street, Tottenham Court Road, London, and grand-daughter of the said Robert Archer......appoint William Horwood...lawful attorney..."

Simone x

[simone]

Dear brother, I have to communicate a circumstance that has occurred in the Liverpool papers concerning the death of your uncle in North America

we have been thinking it was something in the newspapers, but does that sentence necessarily mean that, or does it mean that something has come up when dealing with the administration of papers in Liverpool

Simone x

[MaryA]

What i am thinking is why would it take 8 years to tell a Nephew his uncle had died personaly i dont think Anthony is the uncle

if the will is not administered to before the 26 of September will be null and void.

It would seem that maybe it has taken a long time to advise a nephew or else why would there be a cut off date.

Do we have any legal experts on the forum who could advise on this?

[simone]

Yes Mary, maybe Edward never got around to it, and so now he is deceased the cut off date is coming close and so Anne feels something must be done

[simone]

Hi

The marriage of Robert Archer to Frances Holloway took place at St George Hanover Square in 1804


Other Archer marriages at that church at about that time are
06 October 1807 to Thomas Archer to Mary Davis
06 December 1810 Robert Archer to Elizabeth Ranson.

wonder if connected?

Simone x

[simone]

My husband being the heir when living and now no more nothing can be done without your consent.

still thinking this means that Edward was the oldest son... the Children of Edward and Martha at Liverpool has Edward as the youngest

James b 1776
Robert b 1778
Edward b 1780

[colette]

Hia ll

where did the Barbados come into it haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Noth America, i recon Philadelphia might be the key here.. why would Robert's Grandaughter and hubby move there...and i am also wondering about the date of the letter from Ann 1803 1808 what if the 0 was a 2 or a 3 .

Oh well we are looking for an Edward Archer who married an Ann and had one son.

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[simone]

Hi Col.. yes North America

Annette says there is other correspondence she will try and get hold of.

Anyways.. looks like Charlie has done loads of research himself.. so we could be just going over old ground

Shame we don't know when mysterious Ann Archer dies.. informant at death could have told us something.. there are a few in 1840's but she could have died well before then

Thanks for helping so far

[simone]

Good point .. could the 0 be a 2

that would make it possible for the 1813 marriage Edward Archer to Ann Hutton to be right


but then we are making it up ourselves now aren't we hahahahaha

hate unsolved mysteries

Simone xx

[colette]

Hi

have we got someone who can check the BIVRI'S for all Edward Archer's born Lancs c 1730-1750s might be worth a stab.

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[simone]

Hi Col

I've got the BIVRI but not the most recent edition only ones listed are

ARCHER, Edward Chr 1630 Engl Lanc Liverp
Fa: John ARCHER
Mo:

ARCHER, Edward Chr 1681 Engl Lanc PoulFy
Fa: Edward Archer
Mo:

ARCHER, Edward Chr 1780 Engl Lanc WalotH
Fa: Edward ARCHER
Mo:

ARCHER, Edward Lloyd Chr 1886 Engl Lanc WesDer
Fa: James Walton ARCHER
Mo: Mary Eliza

the 1780 is the one we know about at Walton on the hill.
no birth for his dad though

Simone x

[simone]

marriages on BIVRI

ARCHER, Ellen Marr 1749 Engl Lanc Liverp
Sp: Benjamin SYKES

ARCHER, Edward Marr 1775 Engl Lanc Liverp
Sp: Martha WHATTON

ARCHER, Edward Marr 1803 Engl Lanc Liverp
Sp: Sarah LONGWORTH

ARCHER, Ann Marr 1761 Engl Lanc Liverp
Sp: James BARTON

ARCHER, John Marr 1768 Engl Lanc Liverp
Sp: Margaret MADDOCKS

ARCHER, Hannah Marr 1787 Engl Lanc Liverp
Sp: Samuel ADAMS

ARCHER, Margaret Marr 1790 Engl Lanc Liverp
Sp: Richard LEE (WIFE PREVIOUSLY MARRIED)

ARCHER, Daniel Marr 1798 Engl Lanc Liverp
Sp: Mary COTTON

ARCHER, Elizabeth Marr 1802 Engl Lanc Liverp
Sp: John CARNES

ARCHER, John Marr 1803 Engl Lanc Liverp
SP: Ann STEEL

[simone]

Hi Col, (if you're still around on this one )

your nephew is in good health and mother in good spirits knowing that you are out of the frowns of the world. I congratulate you and remain your affectionate sister, Anne Archer.

Annette was saying that she feels that Ann is talking about a child when she says this, and I think she could be right. She also mentioned that marriage I found earlier of Edward Archer, c1776, who married Ann Pope at St Margaret Westminster, but it is a submitted entry, and I can't see anything more definitre on this.

I did find a marriage on Lancs OPC I thought was interesting as the groom is a merchant. If the family have come here through trade then that may fit for the nephew now grown up.

Marriage: 25 Jul 1811 Christ Church, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Archer? - Merchant of the Parish of Liverpool
Mary Capper - Spinster of the same Parish
Married by Licence
Notes: [Groom's surname could be Alcker]
Register: Marriages 1811 - 1825 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 1, Entry 21
Source: LDS Film 1068892

Also found a Capper and an Archer living together, both Independant means, in 1841 but getting nowhere with that
HO107; Piece 558; Book: 8; Folio: 20; Page: 33
Name Age
Mary Archer 38
Wm Pearson 25
Thos Shaw 25
Wm Atherton 25
Sarah Jones 22
Elizabeth Capper 34


which is Christ Church, Liverpool? wonder if the parish register would tell more, this entry is Bishops transcripts

also wonder what Ann means by now you are out of the frowns of the world? Depression maybe? or displeased, angry about something? and then she congratulates him

Wonder if Ann Archer remarried

also letter only mentions mother, not dad, so he must be dead too

lots of wondering eh

Simone x