1841 census

Post by **chez** » 02 Oct 2010 10:46

hi again tina! i am going on the true parish record i found in the record offce in liverpool which stated she was a spinster, i know it does not have that on the web but i suppose the records at liverpool are right? c.

Post by **Tina** » 03 Oct 2010 07:38

Thanks Chez
I'm sure the record would be correct as spinster.

Tina

Post by **Katie** » 03 Oct 2010 08:32

I also looked at the marriage of Edward Sephton and Elizabeth Bolton so
while I was at Liverpool yesterday I checked the baptisms for the children born to Edward and Elizabeth Sephton nee Bolton. Their father is listed as a labourer.

Post by **chez** » 03 Oct 2010 09:01

thank you katie! we also had eliz bolton and edward but cannot find john as son, did you find anything? i think i found a ann and two williams. regards c.

Post by **Katie** » 03 Oct 2010 09:31

They also had a son Henry Sephton that is why these need to be elimnated.

Post by **chez** » 03 Oct 2010 10:22

there seems to be a connection with the names as johns first born girl was ann and first born son was henry, there are also williams through the line, i think edward died as i am sure i found elizabeth (bolton) as a widow in 1851, however, i cannot find edwards death! and still no proof that they had john in 1819.

Post by **Katie** » 03 Oct 2010 10:32

What if Edward died before Edward Sephton was born. She would be a spinster the last child baptised for Edward and Elizabeth Bolton was 1813 It is a possibility. What do others think?

Post by **Hilary** » 03 Oct 2010 10:56

I looked at this problem from the other side and looked for Edward Sephton who are listed as stonemasons in the directories

1829 Oeter Sephton stonemason and victualler 34 Banastre Street

1846 Edward Sephton 234 Scotland Road and 66 Burlington Street

1854 Edward Sephton marble mason 13 Virgil Street also Edward Jun at the same address

the 1851 census shows 2 Edward Sephtons either could be your John's brother

There's and Edward Septhon with a wife Sarah and an Edward Sephton with a wife Mary.

If it were me I would try and find these couples 'marriages and see if either have a parent called Edward Sephton stonemason.

Ancestry is available for free in most public libraries.

Hilary
Ed Officer

Post by **chez** » 03 Oct 2010 12:25

sorry, its john 1819 i need to be the son of edward and eliz bolton, not edward,i have looked for a death for edward (johns father) but the nearest i got was 1835, many thanks, c

Post by **MaryA** » 03 Oct 2010 14:14

I think the suggestion is a good one, we have had many experiences where looking around a subject and trying to link other family members have proved successful.

Naming patterns often confirm that a son (first son or later) is named after the father, so it could be likely that John would have a brother named Edward.

Post by **chez** » 03 Oct 2010 19:14

yes, thank you marya - also we noticed that on all the certs (official) we have the name as spelt sefton not sephton, up until his third marriage in 1854, now its possible that mistakes were made but surely if it was sephton people would mistake it for the" f "but not the other way round if you see what i mean? its all very confuseing!

Post by **MaryA** » 03 Oct 2010 19:27

I don't think I'd agree with that, I think it would depend on the literacy or otherwise of not only the couple themselves, but also on a priest/vicar/registrar or whoever else may have written in the register. A priest may have previously come across a "Sephton" and so expected them all to be spelt that way, whereas somebody else might automatically think it spelt with an f.

Sorry to throw a spanner in the works, if you think I have, but I tend to always have an open mind when it comes to spellings of names.

Post by **chez** » 03 Oct 2010 21:03

i see what you mean, with thanks, c

Post by **Tina** » 04 Oct 2010 05:23

Look at the township of Sephton now Sefton.
Mostly owned by Lord Sephton who became Sefton.
Some people may have preferred the original spelling.

Tina