Grosart Family - West Derby / Toxteth Park

Post by **Troupman** » 31 Jul 2010 14:53

I am interested in the Family of William Grosart (Sea Captain) and Mary Anne Thompson who moved to Liverpool from Falkirk (Scotland) approx 1875. They had 5 sons and a daughter William, Alexander, Thomas, Andrew, James and Mary Anne.
Mary Anne (the daughter) moved to Chile and died there in 1919. I have information on the family of Alexander but would like to find out more about the others. I would appreciate contact with anyone with any information on this surname, I have undertaken in depth research in Scotland and would like to finish the story by locating information on this branch.
The Grosarts appeared to have strong seafaring links. William who brought his family to Liverpool died at sea when his ship the SS St Mirren was lost in 1881.
I have the 1881 Census return - but nothing in 1891 and 1901. I have a list of addresses in Liverpool for the family that I have from some legal correspondence but have no access to the census locally. Any help would be appreciated

Robert Stewart

Post by **PJLong** » 31 Jul 2010 16:02

Hello Robert....and welcome!
A quick look finds the family in 1891 at 220 Upper Parliament St, Liverpool.
Mary A. Widow aged 58.
James H. son 24 Builders Bookeeper.
Andrew J, son 20 Druggists Clerk.
This could possibly be Alexander but it's hard to make out the writing....looks like Alser C. son 18 Solicitors Clerk.

Shall have a mooch for 1901.
Pauline.

Post by **erika** » 31 Jul 2010 16:07

Beat me to it Pauline

However I think it's Alexander but has been shortened to Alser C. He was born in Liverpool, the others Scotland

Incidentally the name has been spelt with a double s Grossart

RG 12 Piece 2937 Folio 6 Page 6
Civil Parish Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical Parish St Clement

Cheers
Erika

Post by **PJLong** » 31 Jul 2010 16:09

Here we go: 1901 I have Andrew , head, 30, Export Druggists Agent. Wife Mary, 26 and son Felix aged 7 months along with cousin Mary Alice Davitt aged 11. All at 20 Arley St.

Shall look later now! Erika.....the writing on the particular census I was looking at was sooooo difficult to make out!

Post by **Troupman** » 31 Jul 2010 16:11

PJLong wrote:Hello Robert....and welcome!
A quick look finds the family in 1891 at 220 Upper Parliament St, Liverpool.
Mary A. Widow aged 58.
James H. son 24 Builders Bookeeper.
Andrew J, son 20 Druggists Clerk.
This could possibly be Alexander but it's hard to make out the writing....looks like Alser C. son 18 Solicitors Clerk.

Shall have a mooch for 1901.
Pauline.

Pauline
Many Thanks - that is the family I am looking for. It will be Alexander the son you cant read - Are there just the 4 in the household or was there any visitors etc. I appreciate your help -and your very prompt reply. If you have any Scottish family and need assistance please let me know. If you can find any Grosarts in 1901 I would be delighted.

Robert

Post by **PJLong** » 31 Jul 2010 16:14

Lordy...look at this lot around about 1910-1912
GROSART, Alexander Head Married M 38 1873 Fishmonger Shop Asst Lancashire Liverpool
GROSART, Alice Mary Wife Married
16 years F 39 1872 Essex Stratford
GROSART, Alice Mary Daughter F 14 1897 Student Lancashire Liverpool
GROSART, William Frederick Son M 13 1898 School Lancashire Liverpool
GROSART, Edith May Daughter F 11 1900 School Lancashire Liverpool
GROSART, Violet Daughter F 8 1903 School Lancashire Liverpool
GROSART, James Norman Son M 6 1905 School Lancashire Liverpool
GROSART, John Clement Son M 5 1906 School Lancashire Liverpool
GROSART, Olive Daughter F 2 1909 Lancashire Liverpool

Post by **erika** » 31 Jul 2010 16:15

Just looked on Freebmd and found a death

Mary A Grosart Dec qtr 1892 age 61
Toxteth Park 8b P 168

Cheers
Erika

Post by **PJLong** » 31 Jul 2010 16:18

This could be James in 1901......

GROSART, James Head Married M 34 1867 Clerk Of Works R E Civil Staff
Scotland
GROSART, Margaret Wife Married F 32 1869
Liverpool Lancashire
86 Claremont Road, Wavertree.

Post by **PJLong** » 31 Jul 2010 16:19

That death fits in with the age on the 1981 more or less doesn't it.

Post by **Troupman** » 31 Jul 2010 16:25

To All Posters

Thank you for welcoming me to the list and for the volume of replies that I have received, I am absolutely delighted with the information and just want to say a big thank you to everyone who has taken the time and trouble to find the info.

I am in Scotland (Glasgow) and if I can help with anything local here please let me know.

I hope this reply will be visible to all responders.

If in the course of your research you come across any reference to Grosart or Gros(s)art I would appreciate the info

Many thanks again from a grateful new Member

Robert

Post by **PJLong** » 31 Jul 2010 16:25

A possible for around 1910/1912

GROSART, Andrew Thomson Head Married M 38 1873 Shipping Clerk Stirlingshire Grangemouth Resident
GROSART, Mary Ann Wife Married
17 years F 35 1876 Lancashire Liverpool
GROSART, Felix William Son Single M 10 1901 School Lancashire Liverpool
GROSART, Alexander Son Single M 5 1906 Lancashire Liverpool
GROSART, James Joseph Son Single M 2 1909 Lancashire Liverpool

Address is 144 Orwell Rd, Kirkdale.

Isn't it great to have a name that doesn't throw up hundreds of possibilities!

Post by **Hilary** » 31 Jul 2010 16:26

The census returns are available on a number of paying websites including www.ancestry.co.uk www.findmypast.co.uk (including the 1911 census)www.thegenealogist.co.uk

You may find www.freebmd.org.uk which is free useful and I would also suggest you look at www.lancashirebmd.org.uk which has a number of Grosart marriages listed.

Many people us the Ancestry website in their local libraries. I have had a look at the Glasgow Libraries website and you can get free access to Ancestry in their libraries.

Hilary
Ed Officer

Post by **PJLong** » 31 Jul 2010 16:29

Bimey Robert...I wish you'd been on board a year or so ago! My lot landed in Dumbarton around 1850 from Ireland and progressed to Renfrew (where my Nan was born) before heading down to Birkenhead around 1910.
Good Luck with your searches. The crew on this forum are absolute stars!

Post by **erika** » 31 Jul 2010 16:31

Just looked for William in 1891

Bit of a long shot but could this be him far from home!

William T Grosart b. 1868 Scotland 23 Shipbuilders Clerk Boarder
Civil Parish St Mary Extra
Ecc Parish St Mark
Town Woolston
Hampshire
RG 12 P 922 F 71 Pg 8

Cheers
Erika

Post by **Troupman** » 31 Jul 2010 16:33

PJLong wrote:Bimey Robert...I wish you'd been on board a year or so ago! My lot landed in Dumbarton around 1850 from Ireland and progressed to Renfrew (where my Nan was born) before heading down to Birkenhead around 1910.
Good Luck with your searches. The crew on this forum are absolute stars!

Pauline
You are right the list members are fantastic - if you do need anything in respect of your family in Scotland drop me a note
Robert

Post by **PJLong** » 31 Jul 2010 16:38

At 4 Rossini St in 1891:

GROSART, William Head Married M 29 1862 Assistant Wharfinger
Scotland
GROSART, Jane Wife Married F 31 1860
Liverpool Lancashire
GROSART, Jessie Daughter F 6 1885
Liverpool Lancashire
GROSART, May Anne Daughter F 5 1886
Liverpool Lancashire
GROSART, William Son M 2 1889
Liverpool Lancashire
GROSART, Alexander Son M 0 (7M) 1891

Post by **erika** » 31 Jul 2010 16:49

Think your William is right Pauline, didn't see that one

How about 1901
Thomas Grosart 32 b 1869 Scotland Master Mariner
Minnie Grosart 32 Wife b. Liverpool
Visitors at the Collingham families house
8 Parkhall Road
CP Toxteth Park
EP St John the Baptist
RG 13 P3432 F110 Pg 9

Cheers
Erika

Post by **erika** » 31 Jul 2010 17:21

Thought I'd look for some marriages, not sure whether you want them Robert

William Grosart to Jane Summerland Dec qtr 1883 Toxteth Park

Andrew Thomson Grosart to Mary Ann O'Neill Dec qtr 1893 Liverpool

Alexander Grosart to Alice May Rogers Sept qtr 1896 Toxteth Park

James Thomson Grosart to Margaret Jane Thomas Sept qtr 1899 Toxteth Park.

Cheers
Erika

Post by **PJLong** » 31 Jul 2010 17:23

Robert's going to have a field day with this lot Erika! I'm in the middle of doing Holly's Satay on the barbie....it is SCRUMMY!

Post by **erika** » 31 Jul 2010 17:26

Wish you weren't so far away I'd come and join you

Must say it did sound a scrummy recipe.
Just picked a variety of beans from the garden to go with our barbie.

Cheers
Erika