It just has to be...

Post by **steve p** » 20 Jun 2010 13:08

Have you all been totally, absolutely, completely certain you've found who you're looking for only to send for the certificate and have the certainty dashed? What an odd feeling.

Ill be in the corner wibbling...

steve

Post by **PJLong** » 20 Jun 2010 14:09

Yep!

William Lindsay (my GGranddad) has three fathers names at the last count - makes things a tad difficult! Two of the certs are definitely him.....but why the different Dad's names?

Post by **steve p** » 20 Jun 2010 14:51

Now that's a connundrum. Do you have any theories?

steve

Post by **PJLong** » 20 Jun 2010 15:14

My only theory is that old Willie boy told an AWFUL lot of porky pies! We know for a fact he and his missus lied on the marriage cert by saying he was 21 and she was 20.....she was only 16! That was Dec 1891. Lo and behold, by the 1901 census, William is 26 and Annie 25! I'd be better equipped to go forward with the Lindsay line if only I had definite sightings of William in 1891. The only fitting nominee had a father with the wrong name for MY William! No others in Liverpool! Got them on the 1911 in Dawson Place.
Ah....such is the lot of an ancestor hunter!

Post by **MaryA** » 20 Jun 2010 15:15

This is your post, perhaps you should give the details and see if anybody can help out.

Post by **PJLong** » 20 Jun 2010 15:29

I agree with Mary......some bright spark will aid and abet you to the right one! Shall watch with interest. Good Luck!

Post by **steve p** » 20 Jun 2010 19:22

That's very generous of you to offer help. I'll compile what I know (or I thought I knew!) and post it up... a fresh pair of eyes might just see some light...

steve

Post by **steve p** » 20 Jun 2010 19:59

Okay, thanks in advance for any look-see anyone can muster!

I'm chasing the death of Joseph Price.

Born Liverpool 1850.

1851 Census:
Address 3 Court, Gladstone Street, Liverpool
Edwa Price (36)
(Blacksmith)
Phoebe Price (34)
Sarah Price (6)
Robt Price (4)
Joseph Price (1)

1861 England Census
Address 3 Court, Gladstone Street, Liverpool
Edward Price (49)
(Nail Maker)
Phoefre Price (44)
Robert Price (14)
Joseph Price (11)
Margaret Price (9)
Hannah Price (7)
Phebe Price (3)

1871 England Census
Address 3 Court, Gladstone Street, Liverpool
Edward Price (56)
(Nail Maker)
Phoefre Price (53)
Joseph Price (21)
(Labourer)
Ann Price (17)
(Domestic Servant)
Phoebe Price (13)

Marriage to Mary Judge, 1st October 1871
at St Nicholas Church, Liverpool

1881 England Census
Address 10 in 16 Court, Gildart’s Gardens, Liverpool
Joseph Price (31)
(Labourer in Brewers)
Mary Price (27)
Mary Price (9)
Robert Price (8)
Edward Price (5)
Phoebe Price (3)
Ann Price (1)
Daniel Connolly (26)
(Boarder)

Now, here's where it gets tricky: It worries me a little that Mary Price is now Mary S Price,
and why have two Marys? -- an E and an A -- made me wonder if this is the right family, or
has something happened like a remarriage to another Mary and two sets of offspring
combine.

1891 England Census
Address 5 Blackstock Street,
Liverpool
Joseph Price (41)
(General Labourer)
Mary S Price (36)
Mary E Price (19)
(Cotton Worker)
Robert Price (18)
(Labourer)
Anne Price (11)
Mary A Price (5)
Joseph Price (3)

I can't find the family unit in 1901. So, I'm looking for deaths for Mary price and Joseph Price.
I found a Mary in 1892 but haven't ordered a cert yet. I found a Joseph in 8th Nov 1896 and as he's
the only one I could find was convinced he was the one. But his certificate says his wife was
Ellen and his address128 Buckingham street.

The next generation is Joseph(3) above. I've ordered his birth certificate (he's actually John Joseph)
in the hope of getting back on track.

So, after that rather long winded post (I figured as much info as I could give would help), basically I'm
looking for the family in 1901 and beyond, particularly Mary and Joseph's death. Joseph is 'deceased'
on John Joseph's marriage certificate in 20 Aug 1910 to Elizabeth Kavanagh, St Anthony's. Confusingly,
1850 Joseph is also called John Joseph on this certificate.

What can i say? if you've got this far you're a star, and I really do appreciate any help that's offered...

steve

Oh, did I read somewhere I have to add copyright of the Census for posting that info? If so, copyright of
the Census

Post by **steve p** » 20 Jun 2010 20:02

Robert Price is somehow cool in shades

His age is 8 and 18...

Post by **dickiesam** » 20 Jun 2010 20:28

Hi Steve,
RE:

Now, here's where it gets tricky: It worries me a little that Mary Price is now Mary S Price, and why have two Marys? -- an E and an A -- made me wonder if this is the right family, or has something happened like a remarriage to another Mary and two sets of offspring

No problem! I wouldn't be too concerned about the wife now being Mary S unless she is just plain Mary on the marriage cert. And in the 1891 Mary E is actually May E on the census page!

Dickiesam

Post by **Hilary** » 20 Jun 2010 20:34

Don't know whether this is any use to you but on www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk site there is the baptism of

John Joseph PRICE son of Joseph PRICE and Mary JUDGE in 1887 at Our Lady of Reconciliation church.

Hilary
Ed Officer

Post by **Daisycakes** » 20 Jun 2010 20:43

Hi Steve Apologies for butting in on this link...I cant help with the Prices..however I notice on your surname list you have Hinds and Haynes...I have a Thomas Hinds c1859 and wondered if there was a link

I am not sure if I should have added this here

and I hope a moderator will put me right.

Ann

Post by **steve p** » 20 Jun 2010 21:11

dickiesam wrote: No problem! I wouldn't be too concerned about the wife now being Mary S unless she is just plain Mary on the marriage cert. And in the 1891 Mary E is actually May E on the census page!

Dickiesam

Thanks, Dickiesam, that's encouraging... May E - I wonder if that's me reading it wrong or ancestry.com transcribing incorrectly. Either way, thanks for pointing that out to me...

steve

Post by **steve p** » 20 Jun 2010 21:13

Education Officer wrote:Don't know whether this is any use to you but on www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk site there is the baptism of

John Joseph PRICE son of Joseph PRICE and Mary JUDGE in 1887 at Our Lady of Reconciliation church.

Hilary
Ed Officer

Hilary, thanks for that. That's a site I wasn't aware of. I'll certainly give that a good looking over. I found the Price baptism and I've ordered the 'further information'. So, well found...

steve

Post by **steve p** » 20 Jun 2010 21:17

DAISYCAKES wrote:Hi Steve Apologies for butting in on this link...I cant help with the Prices..however I notice on your surname list you have Hinds and Haynes...I have a Thomas Hinds c1859 and wondered if there was a link

I am not sure if I should have added this here and I hope a moderator will put me right.

Ann

I can't speak for the mods, Ann, but I'm happy to see anyone 'butting in'.

I'm looking at Teresa Hinds in 1856 (though the name seems to alternate between Hynes and Hinds. She was born in Sheffield, I believe. I'm not sure off the top of my head if there's a Thomas in there anywhere. I'll check what I have and let you know...

steve

Post by **steve p** » 22 Jun 2010 18:24

steve p wrote:
DAISYCAKES wrote:Hi Steve Apologies for butting in on this link...I cant help with the Prices..however I notice on your surname list you have Hinds and Haynes...I have a Thomas Hinds c1859 and wondered if there was a link

I am not sure if I should have added this here and I hope a moderator will put me right.

Ann

Ann, it rather looks like your Thomas Hynes could be my Teresa Hynes's brother. There is a Thomas born 1859 in the family. Was your Thomas born in Sheffield?

Post by **Daisycakes** » 22 Jun 2010 21:37

Hi Steve...My Thomas was Thomas Hinds when he married my gt grandmother ? she was a widow in 1890 (( I have copy of marriage cert he was a widower and his father was also Thomas and a joiner)) then in 1891 spelled as Hynes then in 1901 Haines

in all cases he was born Liverpool...however I have never been able to find him in Liverpool prior to the marriage in 1890... mmmm..what a tangled web our ancesters left us.

The stepchildren he became father to are there with him on both census's so even though the surname is spelled differently I feel as sure as I can be that he is one and the same...

Ann

Post by **steve p** » 25 Jun 2010 19:27

My Thomas was a combmaker, and a generation back from yours, so perhaps there is no link after all. I thought perhaps your Thomas might be my James Hynes's brother (see certs below). But perhaps not...

I've put the two marriage certificates I have for Hinds/Hynes on my website if you want to look and see if any of it strikes a chord. The pictures are 2 meg, so I assume you have a broadband connection.

http://www.sk.pirie.btinternet.co.uk/mar1.jpg

http://www.sk.pirie.btinternet.co.uk/mar2.jpg

Post by **Daisycakes** » 25 Jun 2010 20:24

Hi Steve...I think you maybe right it doesnt much look like we have a link... and thank you for the marriage cert copies.

Marriage 10-02-1890 in The Parish Church

My... Thomas Hinds age 31 widower Labourer Circus Street Father Thomas a Joiner

To Jane Ryall(((should have been Riley)) age 34 widow same address Father William a farmer
both signed with their mark x

Witness's Charles Cox and Eliza Chadwick both were able to sign

The search goes on... once again thank you Ann

Post by **steve p** » 25 Jun 2010 21:59

... though Teresa Hinds gives her address at marriage as 22 Circus Street in 1876 on the second certificate I posted...

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