Death at Sea registration

Post by **MaryA** » 02 Jun 2010 21:48

Is anybody able to check the Deaths At Sea index please for a Henry Laabs - could be anywhere between 1902 and 1918 I'm afraid.

Thanks in hope

Post by **Tina** » 03 Jun 2010 00:50

Hi Mary
The index in fmp finishes in 1890.

sorry Tina

Post by **dickiesam** » 03 Jun 2010 05:44

Hi Mary,
Nothing in the GRO Marine or consular indexes, 1900 - 1920. Sure of the name? Can't find a census return for any Laabs.

Dickiesam

Post by **MaryA** » 03 Jun 2010 10:38

As sure as I can be of the name, he married Margaret Fagan in 1902 and she re-married by that name in 1918.

I know there are no census entries, I'm assuming he was foreign, knew from family stories that he worked "away", I thought it was on ships but maybe I need to check military also.

Thank you for checking guys, your help is as ever, appreciated.

Post by **dickiesam** » 03 Jun 2010 11:22

Hi Mary,
I see there appears to have been only one child from the Laabs/Fagan marriage, a daughter Margaret bn Dec 1903 and dd Sep 1904. With no more children and Mgt remarrying in 1918, I wonder was she deserted after the child's death? He's not on outgoing passenger lists but may have been crew.

Occupation on marriage cert? Nearly forgot to ask... how old is he in 1902 and father's name/occupation.

From googling the name Laabs appears to be French.

Dickiesam

Post by **Tina** » 03 Jun 2010 12:29

Hi D.S
There's a Henry Laabs born Germany in 1833
in 1901 census aboard ship in Renfrew.
Poor old bloke is 68 and an able seaman.

Tina

Post by **MaryA** » 03 Jun 2010 13:36

As yet not got the certificate so sorry no details, have only just found out that it was definitely the right Margaret from her second marriage certificate and so the name got me curious.

I don't believe Margaret ever had any more children, from what the grandchildren can remember.

Tina, I hope the old guy isn't him!!!

Post by **dickiesam** » 03 Jun 2010 13:57

Clues...?

A Bertha Laabs married Franz Spranger in Sep qtr 1885:
Laabs, Bertha - Mile End - 1c - 963.
Spranger, Franz - Mile End - 1c - 963.

And they are here in 1891:
RG12 - Piece: 254 - Folio: 103 - Page: 17.
He is aged 33 and is from Austria. She is 29 and from Germany.

Here's another Laabs marriage in Sep 1862 - W Derby - 8b - 607:
Laabs, Dorethy to either Andrews, Joshua or Lowe, John Gray.

And Mary.. I can't believe you just said

Tina, I hope the old guy isn't him!!!

What's wrong with fathering a child at 70? Her being such a young lass makes a difference?

Dickiesam

Post by **MaryA** » 03 Jun 2010 14:07

Naughty! smack my hand

Thank you for those clues Dickiesam, not a clue at this stage whether they might be connected but it's definitely an unusual name for England.

The marriage for Dorethy Laabs is to Joshua Andrews (per LancsBMD).

Post by **dickiesam** » 03 Jun 2010 17:44

From googling the name Laabs appears to be French.

The above looks like a false assumption. The only Laabs I have found so far are German. And, Tina, that Scots 1901 transcription might be in error regarding the sailor's age. To me it's 58, as it has been transcribed by Scotland's People. Compare the '5' with a '6' further down the page. Here's the relevant census page and H Laabs is already married. So, was he a bigamist? Awaiting that marriage cert.....

Dickiesam

Post by **MaryA** » 03 Jun 2010 19:44

Thank you for that Dickiesam! Another possible bigamist in my lot yeehaaa!

As this guy is a bit peripheral to my family and the church is known, I'm hoping to get away with out paying for the certificate, so I'm at the mercy of a good soul doing a look up for me. Wait in patience

Post by **dickiesam** » 03 Jun 2010 20:25

Mary, my Photobucket image has cobbled the page so I/we can't get to Edit etc.
Is it possible for you to wave your magic wand and delete the current image replacing it with this modified image. I've lopped off the two columns on the right, which were blank anyway to make it narrower.

My apologies!
Dickiesam

Post by **MaryA** » 03 Jun 2010 20:38

No need, it was perfect as it was and I took the liberty of taking a copy for my files anyway. Thank you

Post by **Tina** » 04 Jun 2010 09:44

Dickie Sam
You love all this don't ya...
Old fellas having babies with young sheilas...
Bigamists

You should write for Mills & Boon

Love the humour mate.

Tina

Post by **dickiesam** » 04 Jun 2010 10:54

Dickie Sam
You love all this don't ya...
Old fellas having babies with young sheilas...
Bigamists
You should write for Mills & Boon
Love the humour mate.

Tina

Yup! And don't forget this was a long time before ***!

DS

Post by **Tina** » 04 Jun 2010 10:56

Ahem

Post by **MaryA** » 04 Jun 2010 11:41

Just wait to see what we can dig up when we look at some of the Irish rellies over a pint or two next year!